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Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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Post by maayank »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #77
tomjen3 wrote: post #47

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Looking at your comment, I can't understand why it got upvoted since you are just replacing one set of stereotypes with another, which may fit better with what society wants you to but is still a stereotype. Now if you want that thats perfectly alright, but I at least only want to spend as little time as possible caring about my body and as little time as possible with normal people since both things are utterly bori…

> Now if you want that thats perfectly alright, but I at least only want to spend as little time as possible caring about my body and as little time as possible with normal people since both things are utterly boring. You do have a point. Conformity is not the way. But, at the same time, I'm sad you feel those things are boring. Allow me to explain. I used to be in your shoes, at least in the fitness aspect. I was a…

What resources/books do you recommend for learning about proper diet?

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Post by koningrobot »

randallsquared wrote: post #316
yummyfajitas wrote: post #227

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Exactly. Obesity goes with poverty because both are a result of a high discount rate. High discount rate reduces the propensity for work (most poor don't work much, if at all), particularly work with a career path. Why work hard now just to have a middle class life in the future? Similarly, a high discount rate cuts against a healthy lifestyle - why suffer through a run in the park and hunger right now, just for futu…

You missed or ignored my point. No one is saying that poor people couldn't eat healthy if they wanted to more than they wanted to feel satisfied. They're saying that given two people with the same metabolic genes, exercise level, and discount rate, if one of these two people spends ten times as much on food as the other, they will be likely to be thinner. This is because being sated with more expensive food results i…

Are you (aside from your main point) saying that the calories in meat and vegetables come from elsewhere than carbohydrates and fats? There is lots of protein in lean meat, but protein is poisonous -- you can't depend on it alone for energy.

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Post by tjogin »

sedachv wrote: post #308
tjogin wrote: post #233

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They're great, better than the complimentary ones I listed, but not strictly necessary if you do the Big Three. The areas you mention are covered by the dead lifts, especially shoulders and upper back. The bicep is a relatively tiny muscle that we tend to over train because of its "reputation" so to speak, but at a beginner to intermediate level, it really does get enough from just the dead lifts. You might want to r…

If you are using your biceps at all when deadlifting you are doing it wrong and will eventually tear one of them. The thing to do to build biceps without doing curls are pulling motions - rows and pullups.

The bicep isn't the primary muscle being used, but it isn't relaxed during the exercise either, and at a beginner to intermediate level, it simply isn't necessary to target the bicep specifically. That's what makes these compound exercises better than others; they involve lots of different muscles other than the primary ones.

Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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Post by notyourwork »

js2 wrote: post #186
jasonkester wrote: post #170

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The author talks about his experience or getting fit by going to a gym and lifting free weights. I countered with my approach, which revolves around setting your life up so that fitness is merely a side effect. I'm not contradicting anything that he says. I used to lift weights in much the manner that he describes, and it'd be difficult to deny that it works. The thing that he misses is motivation. Most people simply…

In my experience, climbing rocks and surfing, while possibly suboptimal as workouts, will absolutely get you into great shape. And they have the added benefit of providing their own motivation. Eh, I don't find rock climbing at all enjoyable. But I love running marathons. I've even been known to put in 22 miles _on a treadmill_. Different strokes for different folks.

22 miles on a treadmill. Talk about boring, I do not understand how you can manage this. Now running outside is another story entirely but stationary bikes/treadmills/elipticals I cannot understand.

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Post by bane »

defen wrote: post #346
bane wrote: post #315

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(He gave examples of such complementary foods in traditional diets, which I can't remember right now.) One thing I've definitely noticed time and again is how complete traditional diets tend to be. It's amazing, thousands of years ago, with no concept at all of nutrition, people managed to put together fantastically complete (and tasty) diets.

It's amazing, thousands of years ago, with no concept at all of nutrition, people managed to put together fantastically complete (and tasty) diets. I can't tell if you're being really subtle here, but the causality is probably reversed - people ate whatever they could get away with, and over the course of many tens of thousands of years they evolved to process that food efficiently. Anatomically modern humans evolved…

No I actually mean it. I've had the good fortune to travel all over the world and it continuously amazes me that no matter where I go that local traditional food, made with local ingredients, is so commonly put together in combinations that are completely nutritious (and tasty).

The skills necessary to survive on the local available food in one place don't entirely translate someplace else. Somebody had to look at a squid for the first time and decide to eat it for example. Or that the rotting month old cabbage would be a good meal.

Traditional foods are often preagrarian foods in some cases. You can find expensive wild foods restaurants in South Korea for example that serve only food you can gather in the mountains, mushrooms, pine nuts, pine needles, ferns, wild onions, etc. These are things that people cobbled together before they had any knowledge at all of nutrition and amazingly, when we look at them today with the modern eye find out that they represent a fantastically complete diet, rich in essential nutrients. In Latin America you can still find plenty of pre-Columbian cuisine with similar characteristics. And I'd wager elsewhere as well.

Put another way, why didn't they just settle on say mushrooms? How come the entire diet for a people isn't just one food? Or a combination of foods that represent a diet lacking in a certain vitamin? Amazingly, wherever you go, the traditional foods tend to make up a complete diet.

It seems a modern curse that we can gorge ourselves on singular foods and grow fat and suffer malnutrition at the same time. Only today can somebody eat hamburgers and pizza 3 times a day for years.

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Post by thesz »

notyourwork wrote: post #354
js2 wrote: post #186

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In my experience, climbing rocks and surfing, while possibly suboptimal as workouts, will absolutely get you into great shape. And they have the added benefit of providing their own motivation. Eh, I don't find rock climbing at all enjoyable. But I love running marathons. I've even been known to put in 22 miles _on a treadmill_. Different strokes for different folks.

22 miles on a treadmill. Talk about boring, I do not understand how you can manage this. Now running outside is another story entirely but stationary bikes/treadmills/elipticals I cannot understand.

Runners get high like few people can: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com%2...

All on their own supply. ;)

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Post by hackinthebochs »

torkins wrote: post #350
Liron wrote: post #327

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No, he's right. The most powerful force shaping the future is intelligence. Natural selection on biological genes is orders of magnitude slower.

No, he's wrong. Natural selection doesn't speed up or slow down, it just is. Each passing generation there are pressures put on the spreading of human genes, and those pressures are the manifestation of natural selection. Whether those pressures are different now than before, or whether they shape "the future" is irrelevant to the biological impact of natural selection.

Sure it does, in the sense that there are fewer selective pressures on us, and those pressures are weaker. Our intelligence is able to overcome many of the pressures our environment exerts on us.

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Post by dualogy »

aik wrote: post #89
dualogy wrote: post #81

I swear by bodyweight-only resistance / circular strength training. Currently doing TacFit -- despite their ridiculous hard-sell marketing which is uselessly and pointlessly "spec ops" and warrior-themed (I won't link as I'm not affiliated other than a legit happy user). But there are more body-weight approaches than that one. Google circular strength training / CST and much cheaper than buying the TacFit videos woul…

For TacFit, what resources do you have (or would recommend)? I found one very shady looking website selling some DVDs and a book...

Or simply talk to the creator at http://www.facebook.com/sonnon

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Post by randallsquared »

koningrobot wrote: post #352
randallsquared wrote: post #316

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You missed or ignored my point. No one is saying that poor people couldn't eat healthy if they wanted to more than they wanted to feel satisfied. They're saying that given two people with the same metabolic genes, exercise level, and discount rate, if one of these two people spends ten times as much on food as the other, they will be likely to be thinner. This is because being sated with more expensive food results i…

Are you (aside from your main point) saying that the calories in meat and vegetables come from elsewhere than carbohydrates and fats? There is lots of protein in lean meat, but protein is poisonous -- you can't depend on it alone for energy.

No, I'm not saying that. I only repeated it to tie it to what yummyfajitas had said to me, because that was the part I was responding to.

Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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Post by randallsquared »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #309
bmelton wrote: post #306

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Your argument is sound, but overlooks that most people don't consume their entire daily caloric intake in a single meal. If I have a Big Mac, Fries and a medium soda, I'm almost certainly overfeeding myself for that meal.

Here is a 3 meal/day McDiet with a beverage at every meal. Breakfast: Egg McMuffin (300 cals), Hash Browns (150 cals) and Coffee (0 cals). Lunch: McChicken (360 cals), Fries (380 cals) and Coca Cola (210). Dinner: Big Mac (540), Premium Southwest Salad with Chicken (320 cals), and Coca Cola (210). 2470 cals/day. To become obese, you need to add this: Afternoon Tea: Sweet Tea (150 cals) and McRib Sandwich (500 cals).…

Of course you can stop eating, but a poor person is more likely to get the 50 nuggets for $10, instead. Twice, for a total of 4750 calories, minus the ones they don't get to in each meal before they get cold. ;)
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