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Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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"2) If you eat that orange, are you eating something that's "all natural"? 3) If you squeeze that orange, and drink its juice, is it still "all natural"?" The In Defense of Food argument is not so much about whether or not the food is still "natural" at that point. The point is you are throwing out much of the orange, and there is probably stuff in the part you are throwing away that is good for you. Pollan talks abo…

Not to entirely disagree with you but Or you can just eat the actual plants and animals and be done with it. You don't just grab a potato out of the ground and eat it whole. Or jump out into a field of cattle with a fork and knife ready to go. You can do that with some foods, not so much with others. If the metric is "you must be able to eat it right out of the wild with 0 processing" you're going to eat a lot of raw…

Yes, I very greatly over simplified.

What Pollan actually advocates is eating a traditional diet that has been refined over centuries. He says that which one you pick doesn't matter that much.

The traditional diets of people living around the Mediterranean and people living near the Arctic circle have nothing in common, but according to Pollan, either will give you better health outcomes than a normal Western diet.

If people have been eating a certain way over a long period of time, they have probably learned to avoid the stuff that will kill or injure you, and probably have discovered foods that nutritionally complement each other, as well. (He gave examples of such complementary foods in traditional diets, which I can't remember right now.)

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The only thing I agree with in the article is that cardio machines in the gym are a waste of time. Not sure this is really true or that it matters. A 5 mile run on the treadmill at an x minute pace is the same as a 5 mile run outside at an x minute pace. Advantages of the treadmill include being able to keep a given pace without making any particular mental effort. Advantages of being outside is that it's not boring.

This is something I always wondered about. I get FAR more tired running 2 real miles than 2 "miles" on a treadmill. On a treadmill, both of your feet are in the air for a significant amount of time, and you're not being carried backwards. Yet, I bet that distance still gets counted.

The only significant differences are constrained stride length, and wind resistance (which definitely matters even before 10mph).

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Fast food and carbs are equivalent: Potatoes, white flour, and sugar. The meat/vegetable content is negligible.

According to USDA, the recommended (carb, fat, protein) calorie distribution is (53%, 29%, 18%). Looking at McDonald's nutrition facts, the hamburger follows this distribution pretty closely; the other sandwiches appear to skew towards fat. Even fries still only get half their calories from carbs (and almost half from fat, well above the recommended 29%). When eating out, fat is cheap. Again, good meat and produce (r…

Where do you buy your affordable meat and produce? Every time I buy raw ingredients for a meal I end up spending like $25 (plus $100 worth of my time) for one or two servings that I could've got for $15 from Applebee's.

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Every time there's an article on exercise or diet, there's a pileon of people promoting their own beliefs, with no apparent sign that they read the original link. How do you address the fact that your point is actively contradicted by the article? Did you even know your point is actively contradicted by the article? I'm not even saying that proves you're wrong; what bothers me is that you just ran off to post your ow…

More people would read the article if it wasn't a solid block of text. Good typography makes all the difference. For paragraph comparison: NYTimes: font-size: 15px; line-height: 22px; width: 600px; Men's Journal: font-size: 12px (small); line-height: 15px (tight); width: 800px (I lose which line I'm on);

They've gone a little weird recently, but https://www.readability.com/ still helps a lot with most articles longer than a screenful.

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Not to entirely disagree with you but Or you can just eat the actual plants and animals and be done with it. You don't just grab a potato out of the ground and eat it whole. Or jump out into a field of cattle with a fork and knife ready to go. You can do that with some foods, not so much with others. If the metric is "you must be able to eat it right out of the wild with 0 processing" you're going to eat a lot of raw…

Yes, I very greatly over simplified. What Pollan actually advocates is eating a traditional diet that has been refined over centuries. He says that which one you pick doesn't matter that much. The traditional diets of people living around the Mediterranean and people living near the Arctic circle have nothing in common, but according to Pollan, either will give you better health outcomes than a normal Western diet. I…

(He gave examples of such complementary foods in traditional diets, which I can't remember right now.)

One thing I've definitely noticed time and again is how complete traditional diets tend to be. It's amazing, thousands of years ago, with no concept at all of nutrition, people managed to put together fantastically complete (and tasty) diets.

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"and holding consumption constant" is the trick, ain't it? Works great if you want to lose a little weight later more than you want to eat another 500 calories now. Most people don't want that (me included, by revealed preference -- I'm over 300 lbs). When people say that obesity goes with poverty, they're noting that virtually everyone eats until they are sated, and if you eat until you are sated with high-quality,…

Exactly. Obesity goes with poverty because both are a result of a high discount rate. High discount rate reduces the propensity for work (most poor don't work much, if at all), particularly work with a career path. Why work hard now just to have a middle class life in the future? Similarly, a high discount rate cuts against a healthy lifestyle - why suffer through a run in the park and hunger right now, just for futu…

You missed or ignored my point.

No one is saying that poor people couldn't eat healthy if they wanted to more than they wanted to feel satisfied. They're saying that given two people with the same metabolic genes, exercise level, and discount rate, if one of these two people spends ten times as much on food as the other, they will be likely to be thinner. This is because being sated with more expensive food results in eating fewer calories and better nutritionally than being sated with less expensive food, and this point has everything to do with the cheapness of carbs, fat, and sugar (which taste good no matter how prepared, essentially) relative to well-prepared meat and veggies.

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Numerous studies (See the first chapter of "Why we get Fat, by Taubes) have shown that Obesity is a disease of poverty. The food that keeps you lean (protein/fats) is expensive. Carbs are cheap. Poor people eat carbs. Rich people eat steak, chicken, fish. There is no significant research that shows adding exercise to an overweight person's lifestyle will significantly reduce their weight - typically just increases th…

If obesity is a disease of poverty, then how come truly poor people (e.g., the poor in India or China) are skinny? Lack of money for food is not a cause of obesity. If your goal is to obtain 2500 calories (assuming that is what you need to maintain a healthy weight) for a little money as possible, you will consume 2500 calories of carbs. You will not become obese. If you instead consume 3500 calories and become obese…

The poor in India and China don't eat enough to become obese, let alone gain significant weight.

I think that the term "poverty" relates specifically to developed countries where fast food is the cheapest way for the poor to feed themselves off the dollar menu.

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The only thing I agree with in the article is that cardio machines in the gym are a waste of time. Not sure this is really true or that it matters. A 5 mile run on the treadmill at an x minute pace is the same as a 5 mile run outside at an x minute pace. Advantages of the treadmill include being able to keep a given pace without making any particular mental effort. Advantages of being outside is that it's not boring.

No particular mental effort beyond that needed to abstain from committing suicide due to the extreme monotony of a treadmill run. That said, the treadmill can be a fine tool for training. It allows you to totally ignore weather conditions, and actually for speed workouts it can have the advantage of forcing you to stay on pace. A common rule of thumb is that a 1% incline on the treadmill compensates for the lack of w…

That's interesting, because personally I find running outside boring whereas on a treadmill I can use the time & distance readouts to help me stay motivated (e.g I'll just keep going until the timer gets to the next multiple of 5 minutes... ok, now I'll keep going until the next whole kilometre... and so on). Each to their own, I guess.

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Further, you should eat well and wait for your muscles to recover, the optimal time to retrain is during 'overcompensation', 40-60 hours for endurance and 48-72 hours for power, strength and mass. As well, you should exercise 'weak muscles' to avoid injury, for people sitting in front of computers a lot it really helps to exercise the back muscles.

Where does the 40-60 hours for endurance come from? I'm a former endurance athlete and used to train twice a day

You're probably right, I was quoting from the overcompensation graph, the other chart actually says 8 sessions/week for endurance.

Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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I think a lot of the comments here are missing the point of this article. Free weights are vital for muscle strength, mass and edurance. That doesn't mean free weights take the place of your other activities such as skiing or mountain climbing. That doesn't mean that you cut out cardio, that's something else entirely, even though some people work on cardio in the gym along with strength training. Free weights are als…

Not exactly. If you are doing strenuous enough weight training, your cardiovascular system is going to get quite the workout.
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