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Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by shahar2k » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 11:19 PM UTC

LeeCyriaca wrote: post #68

there are a lot of jokes being made along the lines of "there goes their userbase" but for me personally this is a huge loss. especially for those of us who have certain kinks, Tumblr to this day has been the only place to ever exist where women could safely express their sexuality. it allowed us to meet like-minded people, it allowed us to break the taboo and it ended the isolation that many of us felt. Tumblrs main…

not just for women, a lot of the kink side of tumblr expressed a much healthier attitude and freer mindset towards these topics, and it's a rough thing to see it go away.

I run 3 obscure tumblrs myself (only one of which is sfw) and it's a damn shame to see it go. especially before there is any real viable replacement.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by throwaway7827 » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 11:20 PM UTC

qwerty456127 wrote: post #150

vortico wrote: post #12

Isn't that the point of Tumblr these days? I honestly don't know of any non-adult Tumlbr pages. It seems to consist entirely of premium camgirl pages, NSFW LGBT discussion, furry and hentai art, and artistic nude photography.

They should really just have made another site (which could be fairly easy given they already have the technology developed, just get a new domain, set up a new server instance, tweak the design and that's it) if they want a "clean" one. Tumblr is essentially a porn site, banning all the porn from it to compete with Instagram makes as much sense as banning all the porn from PornHub to compete with YouTube.

That would probably be whats best for the users but I think that that would result in competing with the adult site for edgecase users (The makers of thirsty art that can be unhappily coerced to cover up the nipples)

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by madamelic » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 11:21 PM UTC

bvinc wrote: post #21

My daughter at 12 got sucked into Tumblr and developed an eating disorder. She was in this gigantic web of pro-ana tumblrs with crazy diet plans that tell you to eat like 100 calories a day. Then the app would just keep suggesting more, "skin and bones", "thinspo", "meanspo". Holy crap there are some scary corners of Tumblr. I of course am more mindful of what she looks at, but she was hiding it and I can't monitor e…

I'm sorry about your daughter, but blaming Tumblr completely for her disordered behavior is incorrect.

Simply being exposed to the existence of behavior doesn't cause a disorder.

She would've developed those behaviors regardless, maybe not to the same degree but you can't 'catch' or 'develop' anorexia nervosa (or any other mental illness) from viewing media. You can absolutely make it way worse, but the seed has to have already been planted.

There are biological and mental predipositions to eating disorders. If people could will themselves to have eating disorders, everyone would have eating disorders. It's a really terrible disease and blaming 'the Internet' papers over the deeper reasons she developed the disorder (pressure to reach high standards, little control, hopelessness, etc)

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 11:21 PM UTC

tapland wrote: post #230

panic wrote: post #96

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This content will still be allowed, though, since it's not "real-life human genitals or female-presenting nipples".

Yeah it's just 'how to live an unhealthy life and risk dying well before turning 15: 101' I don't know what to do about it, but even as a tech savvy free speech proponent I feel very unhappy about the content kids consume on tumblr specifically. Bullying groups on snapchat etc are just the same old bullying upgraded with a better communications platform, but tumblr offers thousands of insane cult groups run for and b…

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Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by crazygringo » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 11:22 PM UTC

awakeasleep wrote: post #350

jplayer01 wrote: post #334

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This is literally the viewpoint that is the problem. Just because you don't like the kind of kinks and fetishes that other people have doesn't mean it isn't healthy or valuable. Especially on a place like tumblr, where communities are built around these sexual interests. It isn't some industry imposing artificial expectations on an unwilling populace. It's people who are genuinely into such a crazy variety of things…

I don't believe that. There is research showing that online pornography distorts people's views of sex, making people less satisfied with their real life partners, and pushing their fetishes into more extreme territory. This is sex negative, and harmful. And I believe we can see the results of this with all the headlines talking about how people are having less sex. A larger and larger percent of orgasms are happenin…

There are also plenty of people in healthy sexual relationships for whom online pornography of many forms contributes to their fun and enjoyment and deepening relationship together, men and women.

Some people are able to bring fantasy into real life in a healthy way -- arguably healthier than those who would prefer to shut out fantasy.

I'm not saying there aren't people for whom it can be addictive or negative, but that you can't paint it with a broad brush. There are many reasons why pornography can be viewed as sex positive, and a lot of it comes down to context and personal history.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by pjc50 » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 11:23 PM UTC

noobermin wrote: post #122

village-idiot wrote: post #115

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I think a lot of people over-estimate the resilience of the human emotional state, especially their own. Time and time again we see regular functioning adults get sucked into objectively insane or self-harmful communities, be it the above phenomenon or 4chan crap like QAnon.

How many people follow QAnon or 4chan nonsense? You're over weighting a sheer minority of people who probably have other issues in their lives as for why they chase down conspiracy rabbit holes.

Enough to win an election.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by madamelic » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 11:23 PM UTC

leppr wrote: post #344

jacquesm wrote: post #290

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These online groups have the same advantage that many other cults have over their victims: they can re-try until they find enough buttons to press that work to bring out the vulnerable people. It's like negotiating against a much more experienced adversary: you're going to lose. The only way to deal with that stuff is not to get exposed to it in the first place. Something similar happens with advertising, there too t…

What does a "pro-ana" group gain from attracting new members ? Seems to me the dynamics are very different from a cult, where members are asked for money/work, and to bring new followers. This is mostly just teens discovering fetishes and sharing them to feel better about it.

>What does a "pro-ana" group gain from attracting new members?

Friends. I'm 'part' of a pretty positive one (they allow thinspo but don't encourage it, no one is shamed for speaking about anything they want) and I think in the right conditions, it is actual helpful.

Many people (see thread) shame those with eating disorders and being around others can help recovery by being exposed to others with the disorder, even without having to be shamed by messages. Huge asterisk though. :)

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by pjc50 » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 11:27 PM UTC

shaki-dora wrote: post #272

specialist wrote: post #203

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I'm more interested in how I (apparently) avoided it all. Methinks it's because I got it out of the way early on. I definitely have had my own phases for occult, religion, conspiracies, MLM, alcohol, outrage addiction, counter cultural impulses, protests, etc. Further, I once thought I'd get into journalism, did student radio & TV, wrote for a bit. I think seeing how the sausage is made, learning the craft, helps one…

Equating journalism with QAnon and recommending “contrarian reading” seems strange advise for avoiding conspiracy theories.

Early is the keyword. I got through a lot of conspiracy / UFO stuff as a kid, the way others go through paranormal phases. I outgrew it, just as I outgrew Santa.

Robert Anton Wilson is also good, because he presents all this stuff clearly marked as fiction.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 11:30 PM UTC

post_break wrote: post #299

BlueAThrow wrote: post #146

Apple is calling the shots here. Tumblr was not going to be allowed back on the app store while adult content was on the site.

Citing Kotaku "In an email a spokesperson from Tumblr clarified that the removal of adult content was not related to the app’s removal from the iOS store."

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Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by odessacubbage » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 11:34 PM UTC

x0x0 wrote: post #71

b1r6 wrote: post #62

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This is exactly correct. Sure there are "clean" portions of Tumblr, but from what I can tell the real purpose is to host adult content. And there's nothing wrong with that! It's a fantastic magnet for eyes, with which to show ads. They're basically killing themselves with this.

The vast vast majority of advertisers do not want to be displayed next to porn. Think of tumblr as nothing but a way to get pageviews for Cheerios and Volvo ads. It explains their decisions perfectly.

honestly nsfw pages should just be grouped as their own package which could be sold on the basis of attracting higher potential views but also the risk of being associated with controversial content. this could be a great avenue for smaller brands who don't want to have their ads compete with nike & coca-cola for eyeballs. trying to homogenize the audience so that they fit the needs of advertisers is a fundamental failure to understand why people come to these platforms in the first place, and that isn't good for anyone's business