Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th • Hacker News Board

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by notyourday » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 10:47 PM UTC

wolco wrote: post #291

tapland wrote: post #230

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Yeah it's just 'how to live an unhealthy life and risk dying well before turning 15: 101' I don't know what to do about it, but even as a tech savvy free speech proponent I feel very unhappy about the content kids consume on tumblr specifically. Bullying groups on snapchat etc are just the same old bullying upgraded with a better communications platform, but tumblr offers thousands of insane cult groups run for and b…

It is the same as before but parents feel safer the kids are on their room.

That's because at this time parents manage to do the following two seemingly incompatible things:

1) pay no attention to the kids (got to do Netflix! Read HackerNews! Enjoy my hobbies!)

2) demand that the entire universe of everyone else revolved around their kids and those kids be protected against any possible exposure to the negative thoughts -- "Good vibes only!"

So by the time kids become semi-autonomous adults they quite literally do not know what to do when anyone or anything does not fit into reality their parents managed to construct for them.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by Nasrudith » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 10:51 PM UTC

jimmy_chewbone wrote: post #212

bvinc wrote: post #21

My daughter at 12 got sucked into Tumblr and developed an eating disorder. She was in this gigantic web of pro-ana tumblrs with crazy diet plans that tell you to eat like 100 calories a day. Then the app would just keep suggesting more, "skin and bones", "thinspo", "meanspo". Holy crap there are some scary corners of Tumblr. I of course am more mindful of what she looks at, but she was hiding it and I can't monitor e…

The solution is in societal morals and not in tech companies doing the censoring.

While I strongly oppose the tech company censorship push societal morality is utterly dubious. As in let me know when you find anything worthy of the name. Seriously "moral" society has condoned all sorts of utterly fucked up things while stridently opposing harmless and helpful things for the stupidest reasons.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by flukus » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 10:52 PM UTC

WilliamEdward wrote: post #152

AznHisoka wrote: post #11

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It was practically the only thing worth visiting Tumblr for!

That and fan fiction - which mostly has porn in it anyway

Hopefully it will all move back to traditional gallery and forum sites that don't have tumblrs horrendous "what's a tab" UI and don't slow my 8 core 16GB of RAM machine to a halt.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by jplayer01 » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 10:52 PM UTC

awakeasleep wrote: post #298

zerealshadowban wrote: post #236

Interesting how the presentation of healthy sexuality and eroticism in US culture increasingly suffers under a joint assault by neo-puritans, radical feminists, middle-of-the-road advertisers, and gender-smashing warriors. By the gods, even at the gym the vast majority of Americans feel they must cover their body with towels when walking to/from the showers, and those who don't are eyed with suspicion. Similar trends…

"Presentation of healthy sexuality" is a pretty mixed up way to look at online pornography

This is literally the viewpoint that is the problem. Just because you don't like the kind of kinks and fetishes that other people have doesn't mean it isn't healthy or valuable. Especially on a place like tumblr, where communities are built around these sexual interests. It isn't some industry imposing artificial expectations on an unwilling populace. It's people who are genuinely into such a crazy variety of things and want to share that interest with other people. What could be more wholesome than that?

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by iamdave » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 10:53 PM UTC

wpietri wrote: post #317

megy wrote: post #307

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> Why are young girls so vulnerable to mental disease trends? Are you serious? Have you heard of qanon, anti-vax, scientology, pyrmaid schemes? We all are vulnerable to this stuff.

I know this is getting downvoted, but the odds are very good that we each believe something that future generations will correctly see as obviously idiotic. History is just full of things where large fractions of society were wrong. It seems extremely unlikely that this is the moment in history where that stops. I think it's fair to say that kids are more vulnerable, though, for the same reason that they also get phy…

History is just full of things where large fractions of society were wrong.

It's sometimes really hard to appreciate how much a moment in time affects the long-tail of history when you're living in it.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by Dylan16807 » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 10:55 PM UTC

jstanley wrote: post #187

trhway wrote: post #175

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That isnt what I said. What I said is that children mustn't be allowed to some audiences the same way they aren't allowed in bars, porn movies or making legally binding decisions in corporate boardrooms.

> What I said is [...] You actually didn't say that, you just said free speech isn't applicable when it comes to children, and left us guessing about how you might want that to be implemented :). I'm glad you're not advocating for the end of free speech, however.

The post says "age restriction in the metadata" right there. So yes, they did say that, and you didn't need to guess.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by perseusprime11 » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 10:55 PM UTC

Take note, Instagram!

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by tedsanders » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 10:55 PM UTC

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #310

tedsanders wrote: post #286

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There is evidence that it's gendered. One example is that hospital admissions for self-harm are higher for girls than boys. It's also going up for girls and not going up for boys. See figures 1 and 2 of: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/26640...

Check the statistics of hospital admissions for being harmed by others, check the perpetrators, and you'll find the boys missing from your statistic.

I couldn't find those stats - could you please share your source with us?

I was able to find stats on violent crime by youth (mostly boys), and unlike self harm by girls, the rates of serious violent crime have been trending down for years.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/477466/number-of-serious...

In any case, there is a clear gendered difference in the average behavior of girls and boys.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by notyourday » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 10:56 PM UTC

x0x0 wrote: post #71

b1r6 wrote: post #62

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This is exactly correct. Sure there are "clean" portions of Tumblr, but from what I can tell the real purpose is to host adult content. And there's nothing wrong with that! It's a fantastic magnet for eyes, with which to show ads. They're basically killing themselves with this.

The vast vast majority of advertisers do not want to be displayed next to porn. Think of tumblr as nothing but a way to get pageviews for Cheerios and Volvo ads. It explains their decisions perfectly.

> The vast vast majority of advertisers do not want to be displayed next to porn.

https://www.nycpride.org/sponsors/

You should see what happens on and slightly off the floats.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by Hoasi » Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 10:57 PM UTC

michaelchisari wrote: post #84

x0x0 wrote: post #71

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The vast vast majority of advertisers do not want to be displayed next to porn. Think of tumblr as nothing but a way to get pageviews for Cheerios and Volvo ads. It explains their decisions perfectly.

Every day results in another example of why free platforms supported by advertising might not be viable a long term solution. I've always said that cheap is better than free. If all services like Tumblr had debuted at a nominal $0.25 or $0.50 a month and that had become normalized as a way to support the platform without mining data or being at the whims of advertisers, the internet might be in a better place. Instea…

> Every day results in another example of why free platforms supported by advertising might not be viable a long term solution.

Not just free platforms. No publication supported by advertising is a viable long-term solution let alone a desirable one. Advertising-based publishing was never a good idea. The current state of the press is a good example of that too. Unfortunately, there are not that many viable alternatives. People would pay for good journalism, not sure they would or should pay to reblog memes and other people's posts.