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Re: Ubuntu will switch from X window server to Mir

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Post by vsync » Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 6:33 AM UTC

iso-8859-1 wrote: post #297

vsync wrote: post #238

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> you can set up PulseAudio for LAN audio streaming with padevchooser (GUI). Could you do this with ESD? Considering that was pretty much the point of it, of course.

The point of ESD? It wasn't nearly as user friendly if I remember correctly. But I was a KDE user.

Oh, didn't realize you were asking about the UI specifically. I believe you would just set an environment variable of where you wanted the sound to go.

The part I liked was that you would start ESD and everything just worked.

Re: Ubuntu will switch from X window server to Mir

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Post by phaemon » Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 12:39 PM UTC

mattkevan wrote: post #308

jlgreco wrote: post #247

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You have missed the point. Show me the Android equivalent of Debian. Show me an Android project, with all of the unskilled users that come with it, that is anywhere near as organized as the Debian Project. Show me that legions of unskilled users have allowed this Android project to achieve hardware compatibility at all comparable to what Debian achieves on the desktop. Such a project does not exist . I assert that it…

Why do we want the layman to be using Linux? To give Valve more Linux customers or something? Idiot users are toxic; anything that touches them rots. Wow. The level of arrogance and elitism on display here is breathtaking. This is why Linux on the desktop is irrelevant. Not the fact that it's incompatible with most mainstream software, not the fact that it's low profile or the fact that most Linux desktops look and f…

>but because a tiny minority of the otherwise hugely >welcoming community set themselves up as some sort of >entitled priesthood and actively discourage 'idiot users' >from getting involved.

I've spoken to many people over the years and looked at why they use Windows rather than Linux. The reasons, in order from most common are:

1. Lack of the applications they need; nearly always Outlook and Excel

2. Familiarity with Windows that they feel they've invested a lot of time in

3. Simply didn't realise there even was an alternative

Out of all the people I've talked to, there have been a grand total of ZERO that have ever given "Had a bad experience with a member of the Linux community" as a reason. None. Ever.

So, I'm more than a little dubious about your claim that this is in fact the main reason. Got any figures to back up that little theory of yours?

Re: Ubuntu will switch from X window server to Mir

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Post by thechut » Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 3:37 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #292

thechut wrote: post #96

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Exactly this. My chosen distro is Linux Mint. Based on Ubuntu but going its own direction.

> Based on Ubuntu but going its own direction. Like how Ubuntu is/was based off Debian but going its own direction? ;)

That's what open source is all about my friend! First distro I ever used was Debian, only as a live CD though because those were back in my WinXP days. But I immediately fell in love with apt. Then about 2 years ago I moved to Ubuntu, its nice but I didn't love Unity (didn't hate it either, just different). A friend recommended Mint, and I have been hooked ever since.

Re: Ubuntu will switch from X window server to Mir

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Post by cdmckay » Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 10:41 PM UTC

chmike wrote: post #182

prodigal_erik wrote: post #174

Remoting over a network with latency is not even an afterthought; none of those words appear in this spec at all. I'm worried that a new display system might start getting traction in the industry while assuming there's only one computer in the world I care about and that I'm sitting in front of it, because that would be a huge step backwards.

This exactly what worried me after reading this anoucement. If there is no remote display capability, it will be a regression.

Why would it be a regression?

Re: Ubuntu will switch from X window server to Mir

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Post by mzs » Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 11:07 PM UTC

Someone wrote: post #215

Anybody know what this will be licensed under? I would think (L)GPL, but https://launchpad.net/mir isn't clear: "Licences: GNU GPL v3, GNU LGPL v3, MIT / X / Expat Licence, Other/Open Source (Boost Software License - Version 1.0) Commercial subscription expires 2022-09-24 This project’s licence has not been reviewed."

COPYING indicates gpl3, main.cpp does as well, and so does the readme.

Re: Ubuntu will switch from X window server to Mir

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Post by tedks » Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 4:31 PM UTC

mercurial wrote: post #331

tedks wrote: post #319

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Here's my power user setup for dual monitors with Unity: 1. Plug in dual monitor to HDMI port. 2. Use Unity. What did your colleague have trouble with? (Four might have been slight hyperbole, but git is a usability nightmare. I forget what exact task I can do in one command that it takes 3-4 to do in git, there's probably some set of absurd arguments to do it in fewer, but I don't know them and am not willing to spen…

> What did your colleague have trouble with? I remember him trying to move a window to the other monitor and having bounce back repeatedly. Very funny to watch. > git is a usability nightmare. No argument here. The design of the commandline UI is terrible ("git checkout" is the first offender you're likely to meet). However, it's powerful enough that I'm using all the time, occasionally bridging with SVN when needed.…

Eh, Bazaar has cheap local branching as far as I care about. And yes, I don't have to deal with git checkout.

Window management can be funny -- I think there's a bug in compiz where a display will "reject" windows if they're too large (when minimized) for the display. This causes the drag-to-top motion to hit the display the window is currently on, and so it goes back to the original display. Using control-alt-numpad5 works, as does unmaximizing your windows and making them smaller than your smallest display.