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Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Apple are hostile to everything CopyLeft. Why would they "chip in" here?

From what I can tell from the project team, Apple aren’t being hostile. Just not contributing resource

The decision to not contribute when you have infinite resources is a hostile action on itself.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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My argument was apple is doing nothing much for open source, then you suddenly come with link that shows Apple has done nothing for open source compared to other company like Microsoft or Google or even Meta.

…compared to other company like Microsoft or Google or even Meta. So you can read, you just moved the goalposts when you were shown to be mistaken.

mistaken? Looks like you can't comprehend goalposts with common sense. Apple isn't random acme company we are comparing here.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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It's not just the Apple Silicon Macs, either; I have a 2017-model Intel Mac which runs any number of distros just fine except that sleep just doesn't work right. No amount of keystrokes or mouse-clicks will wake it up if it sleeps.

Have you tried very recently? I have a 2018 Macbook Pro with touchbar and the progress on getting T2 macs working lately has been amazing - 3 months ago I was having issues but I reinstalled last week with a 7 kernel and it has been flawless: suspend, restore, touchbar, fan control all great.

Sorry I didn't respond earlier. Mine isn't a T2 Mac. Also, I've actually been doing some distro-hopping in recent days --- switching among Fedora, the Arch-based CachyOS, and the Fedora-based (and very-early-stage) RakuOS --- and the sleep problem has been consistent among all three. I also have tried Debian, and Debian-based distros, in the past and seen the same issue. I have a nagging feeling that it's something really simple but have no idea what.

I've also been frustrated by the whole old-Mac-on-Linux problem with internal speakers, as I've written before:

https://www.brycewray.com/posts/2023/09/sound-reasoning/

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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It's not just the Apple Silicon Macs, either; I have a 2017-model Intel Mac which runs any number of distros just fine except that sleep just doesn't work right. No amount of keystrokes or mouse-clicks will wake it up if it sleeps.

Same problem with iMac - got 5k mostly working and a patch for audio using my favorite coding assistant, but that final bit remains tricky. Will post to GitHub if I can solve it.

Yep, mine also is an iMac (mid-2017 model).

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Same problem with iMac - got 5k mostly working and a patch for audio using my favorite coding assistant, but that final bit remains tricky. Will post to GitHub if I can solve it.

Yep, mine also is an iMac (mid-2017 model).

ChatGPT just found a solution to the sleep problem - but it only works if I deactivate wake on wlan, which would defy the purpose of enabling suspend for me (I use it as my remote development box, want to be able to ssh into it and don’t have any cables in that room).

Will update once I’ve solved this.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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They publish documentation because they need OEMs to be willing to support their products. Apple doesn’t. Apple consumes it, so Apple always has a customer.

If selling Linux servers (or parts used in Linux servers) is a major chunk of your revenue, your company is likely to start providing first party Linux drivers? This is a shocking development.

Apple's PCC standard supports Linux. It's just that Apple doesn't, so Apple Silicon plays second fiddle to Grace ARM cores and TPU hardware in the datacenter market.

Nothing prevents Apple Silicon from competing with Nvidia's ARM datacenter hardware, besides Apple. The only reason the rackmount Mac had to be depreciated is because Apple realized they were LARPing as a server hardware business.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Have you tried very recently? I have a 2018 Macbook Pro with touchbar and the progress on getting T2 macs working lately has been amazing - 3 months ago I was having issues but I reinstalled last week with a 7 kernel and it has been flawless: suspend, restore, touchbar, fan control all great.

Sorry I didn't respond earlier. Mine isn't a T2 Mac. Also, I've actually been doing some distro-hopping in recent days --- switching among Fedora, the Arch-based CachyOS, and the Fedora-based (and very-early-stage) RakuOS --- and the sleep problem has been consistent among all three. I also have tried Debian, and Debian-based distros, in the past and seen the same issue. I have a nagging feeling that it's something r…

On your post: I really don’t get why a widely used/available and pretty standard (as in there aren’t 5000 weird variations - more or less one per device of 4-5 devices per year, mostly the same controllers for most things) group of hardware doesn’t get more love from the Linux community. It’s the perfect case for showing the superiority of the open source model and the devices are amazing for their age.

Without any bloat it could show that they also perform reasonably well and it also solves the gaming problem on Mac.

I’ve also updated a few patches but it seems to be a pain to submit these.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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can you please tell us what have they done for open source except LLVM.

Clang, OpenCL, MLX

> "What has Apple ever done for Open Source?"

> proceeds to name three of the worst-managed projects in the history of FOSS software

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Swift, WebKit, Darwin/XNU, MLX, FoundationDB, Container, Pkl, libdispatch (GCD), CUPS, CareKit, ResearchKit, Kubernetes, Cassandra, Spark, Netty, Solr…

Sure, but other then language tools, databases, printing, container orchestration, what have the Roman’s ever done for us?

~85% of the things they mentioned were Mac-exclusive software, so that's more of a question for yourself than the greater FOSS community.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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I'd recommend reading up on it, and perhaps trying it, because it's very useful. For folks lamenting that the (awesome) Asahi efforts are challenged by reverse engineering of changes from M2 to M3, and so on, those changes vanish into the abstraction, but their benefits do not. That's why i switched from Asahi a couple years ago to UTM in apple silicon hypervisor mode. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/hyperv…

The point is some people who want to run Linux mostly do not want MacOS. You suggest to "just run MacOS" (the thing they want to avoid) and virtualize Linux. That defeats the entire purpose, then you could just as well skip the VM and run Mac apps. Yes, there are a few specialized applications people might need Linux for but that's mostly not why they install an entirely different OS. For the occasional obscure progr…

yeah i get it, and run native linux myself, but also have apple silicon. for some, but not everyone (to your point), the apple hypervisor.framework is itself an adequate trick.
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