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Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by herewulf »

moltopoco wrote: post #188
prmoustache wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly if the point is to run proprietary software like commercial AAA games, the supply chain is already compromised. I treat my gaming computer as a video game console, it wouldn't occur to me to share passwords, accounts, data or anything sensitive on my gaming machine. And I only connect it to the network if I need to download a game/update.

My understanding is that a lot of the games on Steam are actually executed in some kind of sandbox, but I am sure if that is just for compatibility/emulation reasons, and which directories are still accessible in that case. I wish there was better documentation for this, because "random indie game demo cannot upload my family photos" would be a great selling point for SteamOS/Bazzite. As it stands, the Steam flatpak…

Why does the Steam Flatpak not work on Bazzite? Because it's already installed by rpm-ostree? I wouldn't think this matters.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by EliteGadget »

dangus wrote: post #339
EliteGadget wrote: post #280

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> You could say the same thing about enterprise-oriented distributions like CentOS that actual companies relied on and had to migrate away from. Some of those arrangements are more fragile than they look. What happens if Canonical is acquired? What happens if IBM spins off Red Hat? In 2009 the CentOS maintainers was AWOL and nobody had any idea where they went and had no access. This caused issues with releases obvio…

It’s not horribly complicated. I have a single 3 line script capturing the current state of my homebrew, flatpak, and rpm-ostree state that runs before Pika Backup backs up my entire home directory. You have 5 bash scripts and various dotfiles. That sounds a lot more complicated. Bazzite is really not much different to any of the atomic fedora distributions. The only thing more complicated about immutable Linux is th…

The complexity is hidden. I don't require all the gumph. I just gave bash and a Debian install. Pretending the rube goldberg machine isn't one because you've hidden it behind a facia doesn't mean it isn't one.

When all of that complexity doesn't work (which sooner or later it will), it will be more difficult to fix.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by Jnr »

ordu wrote: post #295
KyleGospo wrote: post #241

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"The next generation of Linux gaming - Bazzite makes gaming and everyday use smoother and simpler across desktop PCs, handhelds, tablets, and home theater PCs." Are we reading the same website?

I believe you are. Or we are. The quoted line tells me nothing. Is it a new game engine? Or something like winetricks to tune wine, maybe more streamlined? Or is it a some kind of app store? App launcher? It is the site made like a presentation, in my experience they are all suck and like a real presentation are impossible to comprehend without accompanying speech.

It does say very clearly on top of the page that it is an "operating system", what is so unclear about it?

If you want to know more, just scroll down and read more detailed explanation

Not sure in what way some people expect to be fed the information. If you did not understand what it is from the first couple of sentences then maybe it is not for you.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by Jnr »

haunter wrote: post #21

As much as I love Bazzite at end of the day it's still a custom distro and every single day there is a chance they just close the project down and move on. Happened to so many distros in the past, this is not out of question. I’m not saying “big corporate” distros are better but personally I'd rather stick to something more mainline. Hopefully Valve will release a general version of SteamOS with Steam Machine coming…

It is a fork of Fedora, one of the most stable distros out there. It is more geared towards regular users when compared to Arch on which SteamOS is based.

I am a long time Arch user but I totally understand why they went with Fedora for Bazzite.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by ragazzina »

snapplebobapple wrote: post #226

It's also the best distribution for jellyfin media player because it's trivially easy to get the jellyfin client to autostart in kde and it's not that hard to get it auto updating and rebooting nightly. This distro plus an intel n150 mini pc (aoostar n1 pro is decent) and a flir dongle and the flir remote is a big win.

Can I ask you whether HDR works without any hiccup? I can't seem to find a definitve answer online.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by Jnr »

exitb wrote: post #215
haunter wrote: post #21

As much as I love Bazzite at end of the day it's still a custom distro and every single day there is a chance they just close the project down and move on. Happened to so many distros in the past, this is not out of question. I’m not saying “big corporate” distros are better but personally I'd rather stick to something more mainline. Hopefully Valve will release a general version of SteamOS with Steam Machine coming…

I’ve recently moved between two other steamos-like distros and it’s such a non-event. You just log into Steam, pair controllers and download the games. Your saves are managed for you.

That sounds awesome!

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by Forgeties79 »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #163
mastazi wrote: post #50

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People who are not new Linux users might prefer a distro which is part of the same "family" of distros they are already familiar with. Steam OS I believe is based on Arch. Bazzite is based on Fedora. Personally I have experience with Debian distros so if I wanted a gaming-focused distro I would pick maybe something like Pop OS.

I tried Pop before Bazzite on my PC back in April and maybe I’m just bad at Linux, but it was a pain in the ass for gaming at first boot. Bazzite ran Expedition 33 out the box. Didn’t have to download drivers, didn’t have to configure anything, it just worked. There are limitations but if you want a gaming machine, bazzite is a no-brainer to me. Poo is very impressive but I just don’t want to fight my OS constantly w…

That typo at the end was unfortunate

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by EliteGadget »

rounce wrote: post #320
EliteGadget wrote: post #305

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> Perhaps it’s just evidence that anecdata isn’t some universal truth. This isn't though. I have hard numbers. I've actually measured the performance. You get 5-20 FPS less and often more input latency and stutters (1%, 0.1% lows). If the machines doesn't well with Linux, it can be much worse. Basically on HN whenever you express an opinion based on a significant amount of experience. You get someone basically saying…

Have you produced an exhaustive survey across a wide range of hardware and driver and display manager combinations? I’m happy to be an outlier here but my own experience doesn’t match with what you described hence my reply.

If I admit to anything less than doing a gamer nexus style benchmarking suite you will just claim it is an anecdote.

I have actually tested on a number of different distros and display managers and at least two different video card chipset manufacturers. No it isn't exhaustive, but it decent enough sample size to determine that the claim that Linux performs better than Windows isn't true. Even if it is the case,the results are so variable you are better just using Windows because things are more consistent.

I am saying this BTW as someone that first started using Linux in the early 2000s. I think gaming now is really good on Linux. Is it better than Windows? Well I don't have to run Windows now to play games and that is good enough for me.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by moltopoco »

bigyabai wrote: post #57
pockybum522 wrote: post #51

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I get what you're saying in this comment. And separate from that concept I'm adding on: "Going to?"

We all know how this ends: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-365

Thanks, I hate it. But also, I'm afraid that this is what many people will think of when they hear "cloud native" in Bazzite's marketing.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by snapplebobapple »

ragazzina wrote: post #345
snapplebobapple wrote: post #226

It's also the best distribution for jellyfin media player because it's trivially easy to get the jellyfin client to autostart in kde and it's not that hard to get it auto updating and rebooting nightly. This distro plus an intel n150 mini pc (aoostar n1 pro is decent) and a flir dongle and the flir remote is a big win.

Can I ask you whether HDR works without any hiccup? I can't seem to find a definitve answer online.

bazzite supports it I believe but I am not sure my n150 based mini pcs that I'm using on my tvs does. This was running on six your old tvs until this month when I bought a lg g5 for the basement. It looks great but I couldn't say if it looks the greatest it could look with HDR on or not... My previous tv frontend was a custom nixos setup that was a pain to maintain over the years. bazzite just works and the setup is simple for my needs (basically autologging in to kde and autostarting jellyfin media player in full screen plus a systemd timer to ensure the system updates and reboots overnight while I'm sleeping.
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