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Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by piaste »

data-ottawa wrote: post #194
haunter wrote: post #21

As much as I love Bazzite at end of the day it's still a custom distro and every single day there is a chance they just close the project down and move on. Happened to so many distros in the past, this is not out of question. I’m not saying “big corporate” distros are better but personally I'd rather stick to something more mainline. Hopefully Valve will release a general version of SteamOS with Steam Machine coming…

The nice thing about atomic distros is switching operating systems is as easy as typing 'ostree rebase', and registering a secure boot key. So if Bazzite did go that way you could have fedora running in under an hour and with flatpak most thing will just work.

I want to bear witness that I did exactly that when I downmoted one of my computers from 'gaming machine' to 'closet server'.

One `rpm-ostree rebase` from Bazzite to a server-oriented flavour of Fedora Silverblue and it's been running and updating flawlessly since then.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by vga42 »

At this point, I have almost 30 years of daily driving Linux desktop experience, and several decades of professional Linux experience. I have tried and kind of liked NixOS and although I prefer the simplicity of Arch Linux, I see how it would be useful in a professional scenario with lots of servers to upkeep.

But Fedora Atomic confuses the hell out of me. To recommend it to potential Linux newbies and as the great next thing feels bizarre to me.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by nrklvklfl »

rlue wrote: post #267
jtrn wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That could apply to everything from some sort of software service, to a game installer, to a streaming service, to an App Store for cross-platform games. You have to take into account the chaos that is the Internet and the promotional material shit storm of marketing speak. A sentence extremely close to this could easily be found on the top of the Razer Synapse promotional page. Why not lead with a simple description…

[flagged]

here you go.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by designerarvid »

t43562 wrote: post #265
jtrn wrote: post #239

I have a special spot that gets extremely annoyed when I feel I have to spend a necessary time just figuring out what something is. The page suffers from "developer-brain" marketing, where they describe the technology used to build it (cloud-native images) rather than what the product actually is. Why not just lead with that it is a Linux distro/version focused on gaming. In the beginning, I thought it was new hardwa…

That's not "developer brain" but marketing speak! Lots of websites for technical products are like this - generalities galore. Usually the open source ones just say what they are.

No, marketing starts with the person being marketed to. Engineers thinking they are doing marketing state technical terms with colourful fonts.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by nrklvklfl »

mendyberger wrote: post #178
haunter wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no I didn't mean as a personal attack or anything so thanks for taking your time and for the reply! I know the chances are miniscule but there is that 1% in the back of my brain because it happened in the past with some distros I've really liked

Can happen to corporate projects as well. As one example, look at how many projects Google has killed.

Android will be around for much longer than Bazzite, that I can assure you.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by 0x70c51c »

KyleGospo wrote: post #241
jtrn wrote: post #239

I have a special spot that gets extremely annoyed when I feel I have to spend a necessary time just figuring out what something is. The page suffers from "developer-brain" marketing, where they describe the technology used to build it (cloud-native images) rather than what the product actually is. Why not just lead with that it is a Linux distro/version focused on gaming. In the beginning, I thought it was new hardwa…

"The next generation of Linux gaming - Bazzite makes gaming and everyday use smoother and simpler across desktop PCs, handhelds, tablets, and home theater PCs." Are we reading the same website?

Did they change the website in the last hour? It now says "The operating system for the next generation of gamers".

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by piaste »

ecshafer wrote: post #11

Outside of console or handheld like experiences, I am not sure what this distro gives that Mint, proprietary nvidia drivers and Steam dont give me? I basically just download windows games as external applicationd through steam and use proton. Though I suppose a one click like “run this as proton” and “run this in this proton environment” could be useful. But once you learn how to change targets its not super complica…

There's nothing any UniversalBlue image tweaks that you couldn't tweak yourself. It's just adding/removing packages, adding/removing drivers, a few configuration scripts, and a bunch of tweaks to fix well-known gaming-related issues.

But the point is that, if you want to game on Linux, you probably want to perform exactly or almost exactly the same tweaks that Bazzite already does. So why bother doing them yourself?

It's not even a linux-from-scratch situation where you'd do it for the sake of learning. Googling "my controller doesn't work right", finding some discussion threads, and copy-pasting a bunch of fixes isn't particularly interesting.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by Underphil »

alfanick wrote: post #240
GaryBluto wrote: post #231

Why are there so many of these "specialized" hobby project Linux distros that people are using as daily drivers? Are people too lazy to use an operating system that they have to do even a minor amount of configuration to use? Do people really need every program built in? Projects like this fit all the criteria of what I've nicknamed "Mastodon projects", because they always have either (or both) Mastodon and Discord l…

This. We could be good buddies. I'm not understanding this OS and I'm extremely confused that this post got so much traction on HN. Gosh, either I'm too young, or too old, or too nerdy. I'm not critiquing the project itself, more like, I'm surprised [very surprised], that it got so much traction on HN, not usual news

Same feeling here. Realistically, what is this distro doing that couldn't just be done with a quick bash script on whatever the current 'new user distro' is?

The wording is weird too : "Comes with Lutris preinstalled!". Would Windows users switch to a different hypothetical "Windows Distro" that was optimised for gaming?

None of this makes any sense to me.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by MrNiceGuy321 »

nrklvklfl wrote: post #275
mendyberger wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can happen to corporate projects as well. As one example, look at how many projects Google has killed.

Android will be around for much longer than Bazzite, that I can assure you.

Also, if you’re into gaming, google play (android) has a lot more games than steam, it’s not even close.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by EliteGadget »

dangus wrote: post #38
haunter wrote: post #21

As much as I love Bazzite at end of the day it's still a custom distro and every single day there is a chance they just close the project down and move on. Happened to so many distros in the past, this is not out of question. I’m not saying “big corporate” distros are better but personally I'd rather stick to something more mainline. Hopefully Valve will release a general version of SteamOS with Steam Machine coming…

I don’t see what the point is of bringing this up. 1. It’s not exactly some fly by night thing at this point, it’s extremely popular, which means the likelihood of having maintainers and sponsors step up with, at the very least, an easy migration path is high. 2. You could say the same thing about enterprise-oriented distributions like CentOS that actual companies relied on and had to migrate away from. Some of those…

> You could say the same thing about enterprise-oriented distributions like CentOS that actual companies relied on and had to migrate away from. Some of those arrangements are more fragile than they look. What happens if Canonical is acquired? What happens if IBM spins off Red Hat?

In 2009 the CentOS maintainers was AWOL and nobody had any idea where they went and had no access. This caused issues with releases obviously.

There been quite a number of times where people have died, just got bored, had health issues and a project just stops and sometimes people don't access to things.

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/130249/CentOS-Proj...

> Bazzite is arguably even easier to migrate away from because it’s immutable. You’re not supposed to be making major changes to layered packages, you’re mostly installing things with Flatpak, Homebrew, throwing stuff in your home directory, or leveraging distrobox. In other words, my entire backup/restore strategy is to backup my entire home directory, my brewfile, and listing out all the flatpaks I’ve installed (might be handled by the home directory backup anyway? I have to do a restore exercise sometime soon)

That sounds all horribly complicated.

I have a dotfiles, 5 bash scripts and a ~/bin folder for anything outside of package manager. I migrated my laptop to Arch recently from Debian and fixing the scripts was literally copy the script, and do a find and replace (I literally put pacman instead of apt install and most of it worked).

It not that much of a big deal to move between distros.

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