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I'm not hungry therefore nobody is hungry.
Which tech workers are hungry exactly?
Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Marcotte
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I'm pretty sure there are plenty of fields where the output of your best and worst employees don't differ dramatically. Worst is generally some passable minimum not someone who refuses to do the job entirely. For plenty of assembly line jobs, your worst employee has similar productivity to your best employee because there is no ability to make the assembly line faster for the more productive person. In code on the ot…
I've been doing software professionally for about thirty years now, and what's interesting to me is that the conversations I had with my grandfather about factory work involved all of the same dynamics. Prototyping new solutions versus consistent reproduction of known solutions? People who only understand their own tasks versus those who have a holistic understanding of the components, the process, and the final prod…
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#343I don't know whether we deserve a union or not. I do know that I emphatically do not want or need one. I make the amount of money I need. I have my pick of jobs if I feel undervalued by the place I work. Under no circumstances do I want to be forced to pay dues into a union that is unlikely to represent me in the company or politically. Since I have no need or desire there is no reason for me to consider the question…
Also, labour unions are ammoral: https://www.richardhanania.com/p/why-labor-unions-are-evil
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There's no mechanism that ensures that no one does things you consider unethical. What an idea!
If my superior asks me to violate stated company policy and my only play is to quit, what do you think is the ultimate outcome?
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#345Don't unions work best in fields where quality is very uniform and expertise counts for very little? I'm thinking about low skilled jobs that can be mastered in months or years. Unions create salary progression, and benefits for seniority where there is otherwise no reason for them to exist. When no one does anything better than anyone else, it makes sense to negotiate as a block, individuals have no power. Now compa…
SAG-AFTRA (the big acting union) blows that argument out of the water. The disparity in compensation between the SAG extras and the big name stars can be several orders of magnitude. Their union works great, as it's mostly about dictating labor-favorable working conditions and contract terms.
There are all sorts of things that the vast majority of software developers could get behind that we often don't see eye-to-eye with management about. Flexible working hours, having blocks of interruption-free time, on-call sucks, etc.
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Right now if I don't like the working conditions I leave for a place that has better conditions. I've never had to take a long unpaid break because I don't stick around long enough to burn out. I've done exactly this multiple times. I think most people could do this. I don't know why more of them don't. If they did working conditions would be across the board better. I don't think burnout is caused by companies most…
> I've never had to take a long unpaid break The reader is expecting you to say, "because I only work for employeers with good working conditions", but... > because I don't stick around long enough to burn out. Well, ok, but how old are you, and do you believe that this strategy of musical chairs will continue to work for the rest of your life? It's a marathon, not a sprint. > If they did working conditions would be…
Why do you think so? How exactly is that going to happen? What's the
incentive to improve working conditions when employees just leave quickly,
on purpose? Again, you didn't even claim that your new jobs have good
working conditions.
Most of my jobs have had great working conditions. The few jobs that were short tenure were the ones that didn't. The incentive is that high turnover is harmful. Successful companies should look to keep people around for longer than a year. If they want to keep me for 5 or more then they'll have to provide an environment that I'll be willing to stick around for. There are companies that have done that and we have both benefited as a result. If enough people realize that they are valuable employees and treat their employer relationship that way I believe it can change the landscape.If you think it's hopeless and you aren't a valuable employee in the companies eye then that turns into a self fulfilling prophecy.
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#347It’s absolutely incredible to me how much animosity unions have in the US and how self defeating the typical programmers attitude is (maybe this is just selection bias for HN?) — and I say this as someone who’s definitely not a laborer. But if I was one, I would hope I wouldn’t vote against my own class interests like it appears developers often do. Luckily, even speaking openly against my own interests here is zero…
Unions have not helped their cause over here. They have regularly enforced paying bad people more than good people because the only measure they allow is years on the job. They regularly prevent people who want to move into management from doing so (not to be confused with people who don't want to!) be not allowing anything learned to count for your management role. They regularly discourage learning something more.…
This is blatant propaganda. Stop repeating it, it's just false. There are plenty of unions where compensation has nothing to do with seniority, just look at SAG-AFTRA: Daniel Radcliffe was making a lot more than actor playing Mr. Dursely, despite the the latter having more acting experience than the former's experience living.
All you do by perpetuating lies about unions is making management more powerful. It doesn't benefit you at all. Yet here you are, going to bat for them.
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#348Earlier quoted context omitted.
If my superior asks me to violate stated company policy and my only play is to quit, what do you think is the ultimate outcome?
Why on earth would you want to continue working for someone who would ask you to do that? The union won't make that person any better. Union or no union you are better off going somewhere else.
Re: Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Marcotte
#349Don't unions work best in fields where quality is very uniform and expertise counts for very little? I'm thinking about low skilled jobs that can be mastered in months or years. Unions create salary progression, and benefits for seniority where there is otherwise no reason for them to exist. When no one does anything better than anyone else, it makes sense to negotiate as a block, individuals have no power. Now compa…
Re: Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Marcotte
#350Don't unions work best in fields where quality is very uniform and expertise counts for very little? I'm thinking about low skilled jobs that can be mastered in months or years. Unions create salary progression, and benefits for seniority where there is otherwise no reason for them to exist. When no one does anything better than anyone else, it makes sense to negotiate as a block, individuals have no power. Now compa…