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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by iso1210 »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #196
ramraj07 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is using fake IDs to board airplanes a joke? Only because we are mostly sure this particular man is an innocent manchild, but how exactly does that generalize?

I don't recall if it was specifically 9/11 that it changed, but I definitely recall that you did not used to have show to ID to get on a plane at all. And at some early points when you did, it was more just like kind of informally showing you were the ticket-holder, not really about security. His "fake ID" saying he was a "laser inspector" is really just an employee ID for a very unsuccesful business he started, righ…

Still the case in the UK, no law saying you have to provide any ID on a domestic flight (although you'll need a boarding pass), certainly I don't whenever I fly domestically (rarely). Some airlines require ID for ticket purposes (to prevent you from selling your ticket to someone else). Flights between the UK and Ireland are a little trickier, you don't need a passport, as long as you can prove you are either British or Irish. If you don't have a photo ID you can fly from the UK to Belfast and then drive/train/bus to the Republic.

The requirement for a passport and appropriate visa on international flights departing from the UK is I think solely an airline requirement, as if you land in a country you don't have a right to immigrate to the airline gets fined. If you're flying privately it's a different matter.

Obviously you need a passport or other authority to travel when you get to the border of another country (Ireland being the obvious exception for the UK).

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by waltbosz »

scarface74 wrote: post #327
xkqd wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And usually a position of sacrifice. Therefore, it’s pretty respected over here and making a false claim is pretty taboo. Definitely taboo enough to get you chewed out, and almost enough to risk a physical altercation.

I once ran a 5K as part of an Army fundraiser. It was for civilians. The Army gave every runner a T-shirt with the Army logo very prominent. Someone asked me when I was in the Army and not thinking about why they asked I just said I wasn’t. They almost started to chew me out until I mentioned it was given to me as part of an Army sponsored fundraiser.

Reminds me of a time in 7th grade when I wore a band t-shirt that I had received as a gift. A kid in my class took exception because he doubted that I even owned any of their albums. The kid called me a "poser".

It also makes me think of my uncle who is a very proud labor union member. He gets upset if anyone says anything disparaging about labor unions.

My point is, it sounds to me like people taking honor in being a member of an exclusive club, and they don't like it if other people do things to belittle their club membership, like by pretending to be a member.

I wonder if there is some psychological term for that behavior.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by mojomark »

hueyluey wrote: post #218
sandworm101 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving a false ID to law enfordement? That is a crime. Giving a forged ID to the secret service, the people in charge of detecting counterfeiting? That's just idiocy. Misspelling department of defense doesnt make the ID ok any more than printing a tiny lol in the corner of your fake dollar bills. (Also, falsely claiming a relationship with the military is downright dishonerable.)

What do you mean by "dishonerable" here? Is this an instance of how Americans love the military so much that it's difficult to understand for people from other countries (where being a military isn't different from being a shop owner, or carpenter or doctor or whatever)?

Hard to answer this without delving down a political rabbithole. In the USA, there is sentiment for both military service members (not to be conflated necessarily with the military industrial complex or military campaigns), "first responders" (police, firefighters, EMS and hospital workers, etc.).

The sentiment for the military and first responders is that they either have already, or could at any moment, be called upon to put their health and life at risk on behalf of the rest of us citizens and allies - so that the rest of us can live a free and peaceful life in pursuit of happiness. The sentiment is one of sincere gratitude of the deepest variety.

I personally don't think the existence of this ID card mocking the DoD is anything but harmless fun. In fact, the freedom to make such content is a part of the freedom of speech the DoD works to protect. However, as much as I enjoy Woz, I agree that giving a false ID to someone a law enforcement agent who is simply trying to do their job, isn't smart or too funny, it's intentionally obfuscating a process and stealing time (tax payer dollars) from the agent trying to do their potentially deangerous job and prosecute true bad actors.

Law enforcement in the US is far from perfect, and trust me, there's a place and value to peaceful civil dissobedience. However, there's also a psychological and monetary cost. The costs of Woz's act seem very benign to me, but I can see how others could easily get spun-up about it - especially if your job is law enforcement.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by Zanni »

xpe wrote: post #73
O__________O wrote: post #42

Related US Mint page for $2 bill sheets: https://catalog.usmint.gov/paper-currency/uncut-currency/?&p... Basically he tells story in a way that average person assume he’s printing fake bills, when in reality he’s just cutting and binding sets of uncut bills into a notepad. Lying to a federal investigator though is a federal crime and one that’s frequently resulted in prison sentences. Worth noting that Jobs & Woz fir…

Woz didn't lie according to his account. Technically, he gave a fake ID, but not a fake drivers license. I say this b/c DL's don't show occupation. My understanding is that it had his correct name. So I don't see a lie that most prosecutors would care about given the whole situation. Not to mention that it is not a good look for a secret service agent to not know the details of the actual currency he is tasked to pro…

Available in sheets, yes; perforated, no. Woz had them perforated at the printer when he had them bound into pads. That's why, I assume, the repeated mention of the agent running his fingers over the perforations.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by waltbosz »

O__________O wrote: post #42

Related US Mint page for $2 bill sheets: https://catalog.usmint.gov/paper-currency/uncut-currency/?&p... Basically he tells story in a way that average person assume he’s printing fake bills, when in reality he’s just cutting and binding sets of uncut bills into a notepad. Lying to a federal investigator though is a federal crime and one that’s frequently resulted in prison sentences. Worth noting that Jobs & Woz fir…

When I win the lottery and purchase my decommissioned lighthouse to put it on top of my decommissions missile silo, I'm going to wallpaper my new home with uncut sheets of $2-bills.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by starkd »

dist1ll wrote: post #36
yreg wrote: post #3

> [The Secret Service agent] asked my for some picture ID. I have some fake photo ID's that a friend made for me years before, when we could make realistic photo ID's from our computers. Almost nobody else could do this because printers weren't good enough. But I had an expensive early generation dye sublimation printer and made some fake ID's for fun. I had one favorite fake ID that I'd used for almost every airplan…

Isn't it pretty irresponsible to commit a felony while you have a daughter and wife to take care of? I find his nonchalant delivery quite jarring. I don't understand what's going through his head here.

Or maybe this is just a story that didn't really happen. Not exactly something that can be readily fact-checked.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by hnfong »

fsloth wrote: post #170
ericmay wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In American marriages and maybe this is a general Anglosphere cultural tradition you’re expected to provide and sacrifice if need be for your family (including spouse/kids). So if you had a hobby of, idk, drag racing cars it might be expected you give that up in some marriages, though certainly not all. Also if you have a child your hobby can wind up leaving your spouse with sole child responsibilities which typicall…

Most definetly, maturity and actual level of danger. I don’t think anything Woz has done is moderately dangerous. If they wanted to lock him up I’m sure he could call to a competent lawyer and state he is a respectable citizen who co-founded the friggin Apple . Woz has an extremely long history of egging people of authority and I don’t think he’s ever been to court from those escapades (please correct me if I’m wrong…

Maybe you're right that his actual risk is non-existent because some people are more equal than others.

I would hope we're not in such a world though.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by scarface74 »

dbingham wrote: post #156
JuniorBalleg wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When an entire population is far more homogeneous than most modern Western states, the heightened social trust and cohesion permits this kind of harmless fun (among many other benefits). It's one of those sacrifices made to accommodate diversity which is almost impossible to quantify and existentially unsettling to even try.

> the heightened social trust and cohesion permits this kind of harmless fun This needs a citation. It's the sort of "common sense" all too often advanced by people with - frankly - racist or ethnonational agendas.

I knew I read something somewhere and this is the closest I could find. But I think it’s related.

So when I asked ChatGPT

> Are countries with less racial diversity more likely to have a larger safety net”

because my GoogleFu was failing me, of course it gave me a non controversial generic answer.

But when I asked it for citations it gave me this

> A 2018 study published in the journal Social Science Research, which found that countries with more ethnically diverse populations tend to have less generous welfare states.

Which led me to this link

https://academic.oup.com/esr/article/37/1/89/5934740

> First, vignette experiments established a consistent and pervasive deservingness gap: welfare recipients belonging to the ethnic ingroup are more likely to be considered deserving of welfare support than the ethnic outgroup

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by hindsightbias »

pjc50 wrote: post #190
JuniorBalleg wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When an entire population is far more homogeneous than most modern Western states, the heightened social trust and cohesion permits this kind of harmless fun (among many other benefits). It's one of those sacrifices made to accommodate diversity which is almost impossible to quantify and existentially unsettling to even try.

Struggling to work out when the nondiverse America ever existed, that Woz could have been in?

Born & raised in: http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/cities/SanJose50.htm

Even Atherton was more diverse back then.

Lives in Los Gatos: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/16000US0644112-los-gatos...

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by scarface74 »

slackfan wrote: post #117
FearlessNebula wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s more that he is affluent. Try to imagine white trash pulling this stunt and it wouldn’t go well either.

As proud trailer trash -- fucking with the feds is a time honoured tradition, and we have done similar and gotten away with more. Please stop being so condescending.

So why is it that “rural America” seem to hold the local police in such high regard. But think the Federal police are so bad?
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