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Introducing Windows 11

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Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by CyberRabbi »

meibo wrote: post #306
CyberRabbi wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is windows still considered the default home computing environment? The answer is a solid and unequivocal yes. Linux is single digits in the market, Mac is roughly 20%, windows is the rest. Ask a normal person what they use on their PC, the question likely wouldn’t make sense because most people aren’t aware a viable alternative to windows even exists.

Because there is no viable alternative. Macs are way too expensive for normal people that want to book a trip and read emails once in a while, and Desktop Linux sucks for everyone that's not technical or doesn't have ready access to someone technical.

That’s a good point

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by badsectoracula »

destructionator wrote: post #54
kadomony wrote: post #7

I mean.. The taskbar seems like a Dock now. The interface seems very Apple Finder-esque now. I feel like they're just aligning with macOS now. Not that I'm complaining, the video and the interface all are sexy.

yeah im at the first screenshot and it just looks awful Have Microsoft forgotten the lessons they learned so hard since 1995? The start button being in the corner has real usability benefits. They ruined the taskbar a long time ago, the button grouping thing is absolutely horrible and can only be partially turned off... hopefully they at a minimum kept the full button option somewhere. And the centering... if new stu…

Microsoft's usability dementia started with them removing the 3D relief from toolbar buttons in Windows 98 to look like plain icons and making menubar labels indistinguishable from toolbar buttons (except text instead of icons) just for the sake of looks, despite all these having different user interactions.

Then again they were never completely consistent. For example in Win3.x design 3D elements were supposed to be for those that cause some command to be performed, yet the scrollbar visual design was the same as that of buttons.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by rofrol »

Strom wrote: post #292
Macha wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that was the case, would we not expect NTFS on Linux to be better, or at least competitive with other Linux filesystems?

Not necessarily, because for that comparison to work you would need a proper NTFS driver. Does one such even exist for Linux? Looking at the Debian wiki [1] there's either a FUSE driver or a limited feature set kernel driver. Neither looks like a proper optimized "enterprise ready" driver. These work fine for accessing some files, but comparing these in a benchmark would no doubt show their weakness. Now even if NTFS…

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-NT...

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by spixy »

oblio wrote: post #14

> Windows is more than just an operating system; it’s a fabric woven into our lives and in our work. Folks, if you were thinking Windows 11 will bring less telemetry, you were wrong :-)

source?

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by breakingcups »

MrZongle2 wrote: post #247
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TPM is required? That's great because it gives me a good reason to tell my boss we shouldn't switch to it. What are they thinking with that?

I'm guessing somebody high up in sales is thinking "hey, we're Microsoft -- we're gonna dictate how this is going to go because people aren't going to want to be without the latest version of Windows!" Smells like Classic Redmond Hubris.

Well. They're not wrong yet.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by breakingcups »

bluedino wrote: post #85

"The free upgrade will begin to roll out to eligible Windows 10 PCs this holiday and continuing into 2022." This is a very un-American sounding sentence.

Their real money is not in the Windows 11 license anymore. It's in the tight Microsoft account integration, the recurring revenue for 365/OneDrive, etc.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by layer8 »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #340
freeone3000 wrote: post #160

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Control panel allowed for third-party add-ins. settings doesn't. Until CPLs are migrated, Control Panel stays

But there are still non-third-party things in Control Panel. Microsoft hasn't moved all their own settings over to Settings.

Third-party add-ins add additional tabs to Microsoft’s Control Panel items. Microsoft can’t just remove them.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by varispeed »

This Windows update is a car crash. Seems like another data grab by shoving Teams spyware down people throats. I like the dig at Google with Amazon Android (to which you need another account and another company sticking their greasy fingers into your data pie).

I just hope that this "upgrade" is optional and they will not start to age Windows 10 with updates designed to slow the operating system.

I was actually hoping that Windows 11 will become a window manager on top of a Linux with compatibility layer to run Windows 10 apps.

Oh well.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by varispeed »

mr_overalls wrote: post #314
oblio wrote: post #14

> Windows is more than just an operating system; it’s a fabric woven into our lives and in our work. Folks, if you were thinking Windows 11 will bring less telemetry, you were wrong :-)

With the growing awareness that tech giants possess intimate knowledge of our preferences, activities, and lives - and use that influence to literally addict us to technology, sell us things, influence us politically - who the f*ck wants another fantastically wealthy corporation "woven into our lives"? I mean, honestly, does anyone else yearn for the pre-2000 Internet? It sure feels increasingly like we're living in…

Most of these companies don't even pay taxes, they are literally leeches trying to suck blood out of everyone in their path.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by nxc18 »

layer8 wrote: post #347
SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there are still non-third-party things in Control Panel. Microsoft hasn't moved all their own settings over to Settings.

Third-party add-ins add additional tabs to Microsoft’s Control Panel items. Microsoft can’t just remove them.

If Microsoft really wanted to, they could find a way to squeeze the old panels into the new UI. They can run x86 binaries on ARM, and all sorts of other tricks, its not like they lack the engineering talent.

They also do loads of shims/special treatments for specific apps based on a compatibility database. Worst case scenario, they could rewrite the top ~100 most common ones and make “Legacy Control Panel” an optional feature that is off by default.

It has been 5+ years since Windows 10 came out, longer since 8, Microsoft really doesn’t need people making excuses for them.

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