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Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

Closi wrote: post #119
unicornporn wrote: post #15

So, yet another level of UI inconsistencies[1]. [1] https://ntdotdev.wordpress.com/2021/02/06/state-of-the-windo...

One post says this, while another says > The only real question is, will I still be able to get to the Network card configuration page that's been the same for the last 15-20 years. [I use it every day and don’t want them to make it into some simplified screen] Microsoft truly can’t win! One person praises it for being ugly while another for its beauty, while another criticises the central alignment of the taskbar an…

They could mostly win by making the new stuff actually fully functional; although any change would be annoying, the biggest part of "and don’t want them to make it into some simplified screen" is "simplified".

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by GordonS »

GordonS wrote: post #184
yunohn wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re doing a free upgrade for W10 users, and making a new “numbered version”, to signify the significant changes. I’m not sure why this is that problematic?

So, Windows 10 is my daily-driver (Enterprise eds), and I love it. I'm a big fan of Windows in general. But Microsoft did say that Windows 10 was going to be theast version of Windows, with incremental updates thereafter; I don't see why they need to change that to accommodate what appears to be little more than an unwanted UI refresh with more crappy AI-driven news feeds that nobody wants. From everything I've seen,…

Yep, I mean, who the hell actually wants this kind of rubbish:

> Windows 11 brings you closer to the news and information you care about faster with Widgets – a new personalized feed powered by AI

Also, I can already have the weather as a tile in my start menu if I wanted (why, tho?).

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by GordonS »

yunohn wrote: post #190
GordonS wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, Windows 10 is my daily-driver (Enterprise eds), and I love it. I'm a big fan of Windows in general. But Microsoft did say that Windows 10 was going to be theast version of Windows, with incremental updates thereafter; I don't see why they need to change that to accommodate what appears to be little more than an unwanted UI refresh with more crappy AI-driven news feeds that nobody wants. From everything I've seen,…

Why does it matter to you as an end user, if they change the version number?

It bothers me simply because they said they wouldn't, and I don't understand the point of it for a UI refresh. Also bothers me because I don't want a UI refresh.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by least »

I'm really happy about the new functionality for window management in Windows 11, particularly the grouped applications that you can maximize or minimize together. I also like that they're emphasizing different workspaces for different tasks, as this is much how I work with MacOS' spaces. Similarly I'd think that people used to automatic tiling window managers in linux would be familiar and appreciate the advantages of this workflow. The added tiling features that go beyond what is already a pretty competent window manager is welcome. I'm assuming they are drawing a lot of that from their powertoys fancy zones [1] application. Hopefully the added docking features and how they treat windows really is as good as they are demoing.

I hope that there is some way to navigate to the individual workspaces by a keybind built into Windows, though. As it is in Windows 10, you can't (as far as I know) bind an arbitrary hotkey to focus a specific workspace, you have to navigate them directionally which makes it much harder for me to use for what I use them for.

I also got the impression that changing themes like from light to dark mode is going to be a much better experience (one that's intended to happen often) with smooth animations between them. Windows 10 currently does allow you to change from light to dark mode but there's no way to automatically switch them by sunrise/sunset like it exists in MacOS. Mojave also featured bad animations when it added dark mode to MacOS but today does it much more gracefully.

I'm extremely skeptical of any sort of improvement on their search/launcher, which is hilariously bad when compared against spotlight's index (which powers spotlight and many third party applications like alfred and launchbar) or even kde's krunner or applications like rofi. If there is a meaningful change here it'd be the most exciting for me, though.

Overall I don't know that it needs a numbered update or not, but one advantage of having big numbered releases is that it gives you an opportunity to highlight a lot of new features at once, rather than only hearing about them through enthusiast blogs who are carefully watching the rolling releases of Windows 10. Hopefully the features work as well as advertised.

[1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/fancyzone...

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by distrill »

kgraves wrote: post #205
valine wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been running Linux on my personal desktop for years now. Unless you want to play games or require it for work I'm not sure what advantages windows really has anymore. Linux is noticeably faster, has no ads, and is Unix based.

Windows also has Linux now. I can play Windows games and use Linux on Windows (WSL) I don’t see the point of running Linux distros on bare metal anymore.

WSL is a nice to have gnu inside of windows, but one of the reasons I switched to linux was because I enjoyed setting up a window manager and configuring my status bar, writing custom scripts for keybindings, general fiddling. There are distros that compete with windows in the UI space, and maybe those don't make much sense anymore.

I'm sort of answering my own question here too - people that don't love tinkering for its own sake may not ever be driven away from windows.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by stan_rogers »

Exmoor wrote: post #126
geocrasher wrote: post #35

My Primary concern with Windows 11 can be described as follows: 98 - ME XP - Vista 7 - 8 10 - 11 Has Microsoft broken the cycle? Time will tell.

Honestly, I find this to be a lazy trope. MS has certainly laid some eggs before, but the "every other version sucks" narrative relies a lot on revisionist thinking. Vista was a resource hog on the hardware of the time, but the UI was honestly a huge improvement and a lot of the complaining about Vista centered around security improvements the _ABSOLUTELY_ needed to happen. I suspect plenty of HN readers have memorie…

Personally, I found Vista's UI to be horrible - the only saving grace was that one could use a "Classic Windows" theme to get back to something useful (as you also could in Win 7). UAC was just awful icing on the horrible cake.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by neogodless »

Deathmax wrote: post #194
neogodless wrote: post #94

Here's a tool to check if your PC meets the hardware requirements[0]. However, it looks like many modern systems don't have TPM 2.0 enabled in the BIOS, and will come back with "This PC can't run Windows 11" (including mine - Asus Prime X470 Pro with Ryzen 2700X, 32GB RAM, 1.5TB storage, Radeon RX 5600 XT.) [0] https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/d/d/1dd9969b-bc9a-...

Since you're running Ryzen, you can enable firmware-based TPM in your UEFI settings and you should be good to go. Screenshot of the security processor page: https://i.imgur.com/ZWtq8EO.png Screenshot of the PC health check: https://i.imgur.com/Rb3eZIc.png

I'll have to check. I know that my Asus Prime X470 Pro lists TPM as "sold separately"; there's a connector on the motherboard, but the module itself is likely not present.

(For example: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1237446-REG/asus_tpm_... )

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by olyjohn »

captainmuon wrote: post #168

Disappointed that it is not going to look exactly like the renderings in the video, with the physically rendered glass panes and slight perspective. I think the processing power required would be negligible compared to any modern game. Instead, it is going to be flat design with some blur and more gradients. Remember when people were excited about a new OS version, with a new cool design? Windows 95, Windows 2000, Wi…

It used to be exciting, because it didn't used to feel so half assed. Nowadays, you watch these videos and it's the same drivel... more cloud connected, more apps, more online accounts... share your photos, make a video call, sit in the woods with your Surface and work while on vacation... that kinda garbage.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

neogodless wrote: post #94

Here's a tool to check if your PC meets the hardware requirements[0]. However, it looks like many modern systems don't have TPM 2.0 enabled in the BIOS, and will come back with "This PC can't run Windows 11" (including mine - Asus Prime X470 Pro with Ryzen 2700X, 32GB RAM, 1.5TB storage, Radeon RX 5600 XT.) [0] https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/d/d/1dd9969b-bc9a-...

TPM is required? That's great because it gives me a good reason to tell my boss we shouldn't switch to it. What are they thinking with that?
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