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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by manigandham »

pfranz wrote: post #297
manigandham wrote: post #260

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The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.

I think 30% is absurd, but that would definitely change things for every user. I don't want to install Adobe's store because I need to use their PDF reader. I don't want to install Microsoft's store because I need to use Teams or Outlook for work. Other App Stores mean that companies get to make that decision--not end users. How could it be otherwise?

So don’t install it then. You can use other software.

Why would you limit everyone else rather than make a choice for yourself?

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by manigandham »

CharlesW wrote: post #292
manigandham wrote: post #260

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The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.

> The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. I am "people" and I absolutely do not want app developers creating their own silo'd app stores. The last thing I want to do is download separate app stores for every major app vendor on my phone, to give them all my credit card info, to have per-store standards for warning me about privacy issues, to have different policies…

So… don’t do it.

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Post by otterley »

LatteLazy wrote: post #211
otterley wrote: post #139

I hate to be That Guy, but Apple doesn't care how much money you keep vs. how much money you pay others when you accept In-App Payments. If you paid 90% of your IaP revenues to the power company instead of to content creators, Apple has no way of knowing this. It just would mean that your business has no hope of being profitable. Fanhouse can still pass IaP revenues onto their customers ("creators"), but they're goin…

Isn't the point here What they get 30% of? Do they get 30% of what the end user pays or 30% of the revenue the app maker keeps (30% of Fanhouses 10% is 3%)?

Apple gets 30% of what the end user pays. IaP has always worked this way. It's a high tax to be sure, but it's not like Apple gets half, or more than half.

If you can't run a self-sustaining business with the remaining 70%, then you have two choices at the moment: (1) find a new business to be in, or (2) do what similarly situated businesses do, and use a different mechanism for collecting revenue than IaP.

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Post by josephcsible »

michaelmrose wrote: post #284
marsdepinski wrote: post #275

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Missing the point they the only way to install apps on an IPhone is the app store. If you had choice to freely download apps from the internet, this would not be a monopoly abuse issue. Then sure charge on the app store whatever you want, allow competing so stores that also offer reviewed software.

Correct if they did this virtually every really big player would opt out and offer a package on their website. See the MS and apple desktop store.

No they wouldn't. See the Google Play Store.

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Post by josephcsible »

immackay wrote: post #331
manigandham wrote: post #254

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There are alternate ways to get software on those platforms. There isn’t on Apple mobile devices.

There is indeed alternative ways to get software on Apple mobile devices. Why is this such a common belief? Edit: your point seems to be revolving around the access to physical disks for playstation/xbox, which is 1. Limited to devices that have a disk drive, 2. Limited to software that would similarly be sold on the sony/xbox stores, and 3. Still gives sony/microsoft a cut of the sale. Edit 2: No, I'm not talking ab…

Jailbreaking doesn't count.

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Post by Sargos »

baby wrote: post #50
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #25

Serious question, why does everything require an app? Why can't the same thing be accomplished via the mobile web? I get so tired of being prompted to install apps when you could just *show me the damned web page*. Anything that requires speed can be done via webassembly, and sure, anything like games can ship a native app.

I’m wondering if native mobile apps are doomed to disappear as the web and mobile Browsers meet in the middle, the same way everything was a native app for quite some time in desktop land and now everything is a webapp.

Apple doesn't allow third party web browsers on iOS so native apps are the only viable solution until that changes.

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Post by stale2002 »

slver wrote: post #158
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #112

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Because they have a monopoly over 50% of the population, and many businesses quite literally have to participate or they would cease to exist. Do you think it'd be legal for Microsoft to charge a 30% fee on every transaction you make on Windows?

Wait so "because [Apple] have a monopoly" (which isn't correct, but let's put that aside) they can push an app and then act surprised about Apple enforcing the ToS they agreed to? Yeah that's not good enough.

> about Apple enforcing the ToS

An illegally anti-competitive ToS is the point though.

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Post by Barrin92 »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

brand and marketing power. Apple is the cool developer brand and devs with their sticker filled macbooks and consumers don't have a critical attitude when it comes to Apple.

It's really funny. Imagine if every independent game developer who has ever built videogames for Windows had to pay a third of their revenue to Microsoft, and had to go through a store review to get their games approved. Would we ever had some of the more controversial games? People tore Microsoft a new one for bundling a browser. Yet you cannot even install anything other than webkit reskins on ios. Completely absurd.

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Post by chrisseaton »

stale2002 wrote: post #334
chrisseaton wrote: post #266

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> The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. Who do you want to pay for building and supporting this functionality? Apple presumably?

> Who do you want to pay for building and supporting this functionality? No, I can assure you that other companies are perfectly willing to build and support other app stores. Instead, Apple is the one spending extra money and extra effort in order to prevent this stuff. Other companies would be more than happy to build these other app stores, if Apple would just get out of the way.

Apple would have to develop new APIs and poke new holes in their security to enable this. Then they’d have to test and maintain these APIs. That’s work they don’t want to do and a cost they don’t want to pay for.
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