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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Jcowell »

distribot wrote: post #28
hellisothers wrote: post #12

Seems pretty disingenuous given they had to have known this would happen (note that OnlyFans has no app)

OnlyFans wouldn't be allowed in the App Store since it is essentially pornography. I am curious if they would given the chance, but they can't

This makes me curious is Onlyfans has a PWA. Really wish more websites did this going to go check right now.

Can confirm it does. Functions just like a normal app (user side) and since it doenst have any offline features there’s not any friction I can see a see as user.

I wonder if there’s a way for Safari to display a Add to Home Screen Option App Banner.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by toast0 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #59
JamesSwift wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Usually for proper push messaging and background processing

Those have been part of the web standards for ages (serviceworkers, web notifications).

Correct me if I'm wrong (I'd actually love to be wrong), but browsers don't let you do silent pushes, and background data fetches are pretty limited, which makes it hard to do something where the phone gets updated frequently with non-urgent data, so that when you open the app/page, you have current data regardless of connectivity when you open the app, assuming you've got at least intermittent connectivity.

Weather, headline news, sports scores, non-urgent messaging could really use silent push to get data synced whenever you want to use it, but clearly not with Safari on an iPhone, and I don't think you can do it on Android without an app either.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by adventured »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

> Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

Yeah I'll defend against that setup. Your comparison makes no sense.

Apple isn't taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you use an iPhone to shop on Amazon or Walmart. Why would I need to imagine a scenario where Microsoft did such a thing?

The comparison would be: imagine if Microsoft had a dominant software store tightly bound to Windows, and for any software applications sold through that store - for use on your Windows machine - Microsoft took a 30% cut of that sale.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

echelon wrote: post #118
insert_coin wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple doesn't have a monopoly on any market.

They control computing for 50% of Americans. Not games, not movies. All computing. And all of the commerce around that computing. You have to pay their tax to interact with Apple customers in any way. Who are Apple customers? 50% of Americans. It's a protection racket and it's anticompetitive af. Furthermore, you can't use your own software stack / runtimes, have to dance to arbitrary rules, and can't deploy or updat…

>Apple got this by building an awesome product, but they also played an incredibly evil game that puts Microsoft to shame.

It really is funny how we went from a major anti trust case against Microsoft for simply bundling a web browser with their OS [1]. The original decision in that case was actually to break up Microsoft, though was lost on appeal. And here we have Apple doing many magnitudes worse. Even in this original antitrust case, you could always bypass Microsoft entirely to install whatever software you wished. Apple has quite literally never allowed that possibility, has no intention of doing so, and any software you develop for the platform entitles Apple to a 30% cut. There's many markets with a profit margin under 10%, and here we have Apple taking 30%.

And people defend them for it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Jcowell »

tshaddox wrote: post #73
hellisothers wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a subscription service and you’re not paying for individual content a-la-cart? We can play wack a mole all day and find special carve outs by Apple but “what about-ism” isn’t the (or their) point, it’s did they expect this to happen or not. Surely they knew at some point the tax man would come with absolute certainty so crying (hyperbolic) foul now is… disingenuous.

I’m pretty sure Netflix and other streaming services give 30% to Apple if you buy the subscription through Apple. Don’t they?

No they don’t since they don’t give the option. It sucks that Apple isn’t giving them the option to just not allow In-app purchases at all when there’s Patreon.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by mdoms »

deadmutex wrote: post #67
mdoms wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying Apple isn't adding end-user value. I can easily imagine a payment screen in an app that looks like, * Pay with Apple Pay ($13.00) * Pay with Stripe ($10.50) If their value-add is as strong as you say then surely they'd still make plenty of money. If not, well maybe they need to start adding more value or dropping their prices, just like anyone in a competitive market.

Does Apple's TOS allow this? IIRC, Credit card companies used to disallow different pricing for cash and CC.

They also do not allow you to mention or even imply the existence of their fee. Nor do they allow you to so much as link to an external website that provides other payment options, nor mention the existence of such a website.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by insert_coin »

TX0098812 wrote: post #123
insert_coin wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you engage with those actors accepting the terms that is exactly what it means.

...no. You can't meaningfully accept terms when they are a requirement to enter the market.

They are not required to accept them, OnlyFans is doing it just fine without Apple. They chose to be in Apple's platform. Voluntarily.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by bpye »

adventured wrote: post #133
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

> Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple? Yeah I'll defend against that setup. Your comparison makes no sense. Apple isn't taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you use an iPhone to shop on Amazon or Walmart. Why would I need to imagine a…

Not just dominant. If Microsoft had the only software store and mandated app distribution through the store. It is an important different.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by otterley »

I hate to be That Guy, but Apple doesn't care how much money you keep vs. how much money you pay others when you accept In-App Payments. If you paid 90% of your IaP revenues to the power company instead of to content creators, Apple has no way of knowing this. It just would mean that your business has no hope of being profitable.

Fanhouse can still pass IaP revenues onto their customers ("creators"), but they're going to end up giving them 63% of their IaP revenue (90% of 70%) instead of 90%.

This is a business problem disguised as a justice issue.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Jcowell »

vbezhenar wrote: post #49
capybara_2020 wrote: post #35

Just curious, if Apple is so bad, why do people build apps for it? Browsers are very robust now a days. I have never built a iPhone or Android app, never needed to. Browsers now a days I imagine can get you atleast 90% of the way. Why go to Apple if you can build a webapp. And it is cross platform so you do not have to maintain a separate Android app. What am I missing?

1. Apps get added to the home screen by default. Adding a website to the home screen is not easy and most users are not aware of this function. When app is on the home screen, there are much higher chances that user will return. 2. Push notifications increase return rate as well. Website can't send push notification to iOS client. So basically it comes down to user retention. Apps allows for better user monetization,…

I disagree about one partly. It’s two (well 3 really) clicks to add a PWA to the Home Screen. I would describe it more as having friction than not being easy.
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