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Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by BoiledCabbage » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 9:32 PM UTC

paulddraper wrote: post #338

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #288

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Think about that for a min. Racism is allowed, but not Spam. They will allow Racism, but actively moderate out Spam. What type of joke is this? There is no hiding behind it, they intentionally and actively allow it to become a breeding ground for violent racists. It's like what in the world did you guys imagining Al Qaeda recruiting msg boards l look like. "No Al Qaeda msg boards have people claiming for death to Ame…

> They will allow Racism, but actively moderate out Spam Moderating "racist" comments is very far from straightforward. No one can agree what it would be. Which of the following statements would be racist? 1. Organizations whose members are exclusively white are appropriate. 2. Organizations whose members are exclusively people of color are appropriate. 3. Blacks are a minority but commit a majority of violent crimes…

Guess what? The world is filled with imperfection.

The line of reasoning "Since I can't come up with a perfect solution, so instead I'll do nothing at all", is a terrible approach.

The courts get things wrong, credit card fraud detection gets things wrong, anti-virus gets things wrong. Tons of things aren't perfect - that's the real world.

The answer of "well I can't come up with a perfect version of those so let's do nothing" is preposterous.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by stefco_ » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 9:33 PM UTC

nfrbc wrote: post #311

stefco_ wrote: post #262

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> This applies to a very small minority of men. The confident, attractive types with great bodies. An average woman will still get lots of attention on dating website and have a lot of guys to pick from, an average guy won't really get any attention on such websites. I don't know where you live/what dating pool you have experience with, but here are some contrasting anecdotal observations from NYC: 1) Straight women…

Regarding #1 and #2, I think it's even worse: there are lots of "auto swipe" apps that swipe right on everyone. It's a common hack for guys to buy Tinder Premium, swipe right on everyone in sight and then choose from the match pool. Tinder is a super lazy product, terrible even. I wouldn't be surprised if they're optimizing for a high number of matches and happy with that outcome.

Oh yeah, by “swipe indiscriminately” i really meant “swipe on literally everybody and then downselect from matches”. It’s a very obnoxious thing to do. Pretty easy, but it discourages people from messaging any guy first when you know there’s a good chance they’ll just unmatch right away.

I don’t think those guys are even close to the majority of straight male users, but since they always swipe right, you have a 100% chance of matching one of them if you swipe right too. So they pollute your match list disproportionately and end up making it worse for everyone. Pretty annoying.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by stefco_ » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 9:37 PM UTC

nfrbc wrote: post #314

shubb wrote: post #283

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I don't know how far it generalises, but a lot of my early 30s female friends complain about how hard it is to find a long term relationship. Dates are easy to get, but explicitly looking for a long term thing puts off a lot of guys because it's just not the expectation. There is pressure to hold off on deep conversations or say you're just looking for fun when that really isn't the case. 'sometimes I just tell the g…

Funny thing: I've also heard the opposite complaint from a lot of people! But it's true, most people really go to Tinder expecting only dating and one night stands. However, when you're upfront and tell guys you want to settle down you're filtering them, so I guess it's working as intended? Maybe putting that info in your profile would make it harder to get matches, but at least you'll won't have bad surprises. EDIT:…

Yeah, people who are completely direct about what they want in both their profile and communications tend to have a much better time on apps. I try to put things in my profile that will be charming to people I might like and alienating to people I wouldn’t, and it works very well. You have to have some standards and filter out obvious bad matches quickly. Since you’re not dating in your social circles, you don’t have the advantage of a pre-vetted dating pool, so you have to just recognize that most of the people you see won’t be a good match at all.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by davesmith1983 » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 9:58 PM UTC

pmyteh wrote: post #327

davesmith1983 wrote: post #320

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He got absolutely mullered on Question time so I find that hard to believe.

Even so, it's very difficult to kill a political movement by logical debate (or even by making them look silly). I had the misfortune to know Mark Collett (another one of the BNPers) at Leeds University. We managed to stop him making much headway in recruitment etc., but he lived for the publicity. Even when he got thrashed at Union AGMs and the like he'd be busy pitching to his potential support in the audience. Did…

Well with someone such as that you aren't trying to convince him you are trying to convince the audience of your position.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by belorn » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 10:32 PM UTC

watwut wrote: post #337

belorn wrote: post #332

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So many myths. In order: "Overall rates of psychiatric disorder are almost identical for men and women" - https://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/genderwomen/en/ "Women are just as likely as men to develop a substance use disorder" . - Anthony JC, Warner LA, Kessler RC. Comparative epidemiology of dependence on tobacco, alcohol, controlled substances, and inhalants "But when subsequent surveys asked who struck f…

1.) Interesting that you changed violence to intimate violence. As if there were equal number of women killing people (it is not) or being gang members (nope violent gangs are not dome kind of equality panacea). As if women were equally likely to get into fight in bars, clubs, schools you name it. Whether biological or social, men are more likely to be violent. And they are more likely to cause higher damage due to b…

Substance disorder, as practically all studies show, has very little to do with the actually drug being misused. Causes for substance abuse is often cited in research as genetic markers, environmental factors like childhood trauma and a lack of peer and family support, mental health, and stress with low access to stress management.

With crime it should be no surprise that public intoxication and violation of city ordinances is more common for homeless people. If we account for social economical status then theft, burglary, and shoplifting make also sense. If more men than women are homeless than those numbers will correlate accordingly, but say nothing about why people become homeless.

The initial claim is that men were more "violent or aggressive". If you want to make a claim that men are charged more often than women for murder or being in a violent gang then go ahead, but when it comes to initiating aggression or violence both women and men are fundamentally equal. The idea that men are inherently aggressive and violent while women inherently meek and passive is nothing but gender stereotyping, and that may be a reason for difference in homelessness.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by Noumenon72 » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 10:50 PM UTC

iamnothere wrote: post #339

watwut wrote: post #316

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> I don't know why you lie, but you do. I hate to invoke HN guidelines, but this accusation violates "Assume good faith". Here's another source, this time from the National Review: Remarkably, pre-Hitler Germany had laws very much like the Canadian anti-hate law. Moreover, those laws were enforced with some vigour. During the 15 years before Hitler came to power, there were more than 200 prosecutions based on anti-Se…

Did the New Yorker plagiarize that last sentence from the Atlanitc? It's in both of your excerpts, almost identically.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by dragonsngoblins » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 11:24 PM UTC

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #288

irvwash wrote: post #153

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> I'm guessing/assuming that 8chan is an anything goes censorship free community (like 4chan was/is?). And maybe it's not explicitly in support of racist ideals but instead refuses to condemn any ideologies or discussion More or less. More so than 4chan. 8chan is like Reddit (and unlike 4chan) in that it allows anyone to set up a subcommunity that they can moderate however they like. Only illegal content (and nude/se…

Think about that for a min. Racism is allowed, but not Spam. They will allow Racism, but actively moderate out Spam. What type of joke is this? There is no hiding behind it, they intentionally and actively allow it to become a breeding ground for violent racists. It's like what in the world did you guys imagining Al Qaeda recruiting msg boards l look like. "No Al Qaeda msg boards have people claiming for death to Ame…

There is also the practical side to be considered. It is very easy to police spam with bots, and racism basically requires human intervention to recognize and moderate.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by paulddraper » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 11:25 PM UTC

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #341

paulddraper wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They will allow Racism, but actively moderate out Spam Moderating "racist" comments is very far from straightforward. No one can agree what it would be. Which of the following statements would be racist? 1. Organizations whose members are exclusively white are appropriate. 2. Organizations whose members are exclusively people of color are appropriate. 3. Blacks are a minority but commit a majority of violent crimes…

Guess what? The world is filled with imperfection. The line of reasoning "Since I can't come up with a perfect solution, so instead I'll do nothing at all", is a terrible approach. The courts get things wrong, credit card fraud detection gets things wrong, anti-virus gets things wrong. Tons of things aren't perfect - that's the real world. The answer of "well I can't come up with a perfect version of those so let's d…

It is no stretch of logic to say that moderation rules should be clear, not according to the whim of the moderator.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by ryandrake » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 11:35 PM UTC

iamben wrote: post #166

EdwardDiego wrote: post #98

...how have things gotten objectively worse for young men?

In many cases I don't think social media helps young men OR women at all. To summarise a discussion I had with a friend who has teenager kids recently - when we were growing up we had magazines telling us what was 'cool'. Music, movies, clothes. They appeared once a week or month. Television and film 'cool' was behind real life. The Daily Mail was a paper your parents read - that as odious as it may have been - didn'…

Yet, a great deal of it can be sidestepped by simply avoiding social media. I can empathize and understand, but having trouble sympathizing. “This thing that I voluntarily do makes me unhappy.” Well, stop doing it!

Someone right now could be bullying me on Facebook. Someone might be targeting me with a Facebook ads. They might be sending me links to the latest fashions. None of it affects me or my mental health at all because I have not used Facebook in close to ten years.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by ryandrake » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 11:43 PM UTC

stefco_ wrote: post #342

nfrbc wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding #1 and #2, I think it's even worse: there are lots of "auto swipe" apps that swipe right on everyone. It's a common hack for guys to buy Tinder Premium, swipe right on everyone in sight and then choose from the match pool. Tinder is a super lazy product, terrible even. I wouldn't be surprised if they're optimizing for a high number of matches and happy with that outcome.

Oh yeah, by “swipe indiscriminately” i really meant “swipe on literally everybody and then downselect from matches”. It’s a very obnoxious thing to do. Pretty easy, but it discourages people from messaging any guy first when you know there’s a good chance they’ll just unmatch right away. I don’t think those guys are even close to the majority of straight male users, but since they always swipe right, you have a 100%…

This is the game theory end result of any matching system where one side is far fewer or more selective than the other. It’s why most of us apply to 200 jobs, then select from the few who get back to us.