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Post by nfrbc »

stefco_ wrote: post #262
skocznymroczny wrote: post #204

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It's very hard to find a partner nowadays. In the past, people dated within the local community, so women were limited to their local dating pool. With the advent of online dating, women can afford to be choosy and pick from guys all over the country, if not even all over the world. As a result, many men that would have found someone in the past are going to be lonely nowadays. Now, the obvious reply to that is "but…

> This applies to a very small minority of men. The confident, attractive types with great bodies. An average woman will still get lots of attention on dating website and have a lot of guys to pick from, an average guy won't really get any attention on such websites. I don't know where you live/what dating pool you have experience with, but here are some contrasting anecdotal observations from NYC: 1) Straight women…

Regarding #1 and #2, I think it's even worse: there are lots of "auto swipe" apps that swipe right on everyone. It's a common hack for guys to buy Tinder Premium, swipe right on everyone in sight and then choose from the match pool.

Tinder is a super lazy product, terrible even. I wouldn't be surprised if they're optimizing for a high number of matches and happy with that outcome.

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Post by DuskStar »

resoluteteeth wrote: post #278
antpls wrote: post #274

According to gunviolencearchive ( https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ ), there were 251 mass shootings in the USA since the beginning of 2019. I don't know if this number is correct, but I just can't understand why guns are still allowed in USA.

The American right believes that it needs guns to protect itself from the government and is terrified that the left will come to take its guns away. This has gotten more and more extreme to the point that they are now basically against any gun control laws including restrictions on machine guns or any sort of background checks.

> This has gotten more and more extreme to the point that they are now basically against any gun control laws including restrictions on machine guns or any sort of background checks.

You are aware that ownership of machine guns is both extremely restricted and rather expensive, while almost all legal gun transfers require a background check, right? (The transfers that don't require a background check are private sales in certain states) Or are you saying that people want these restrictions to be rolled back?

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Post by natestemen »

wisty wrote: post #40

We could talk about how this is largely a mental health problem. A lot of depressed young men do stupid risky stuff with no concern for their own well-being. I know a few guys who have wrapped their cars around trees. I bet most shooters were just throwing in the towel in a more hateful and dramatic way. I see the main issue as a marketing problem for psychology. Men are focused on solving problems, and I'd bet they…

this is such a bad take on the real issue which is the radicalization of these men by website like the *chans.

saying "this is largely a mental health problem" completely ignores the problem of large scale violence the far-right is committing, and only perpetuates thinking of these people as "lone wolves". they may seem like that from the outside, but seeing how much destruction they've done over the past few years makes it clear they are not. they are organized.

treating fascism and nationalism as a "mental health problem" is a scapegoat so as not to talk about the real issue.

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Post by nfrbc »

shubb wrote: post #283
stefco_ wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This applies to a very small minority of men. The confident, attractive types with great bodies. An average woman will still get lots of attention on dating website and have a lot of guys to pick from, an average guy won't really get any attention on such websites. I don't know where you live/what dating pool you have experience with, but here are some contrasting anecdotal observations from NYC: 1) Straight women…

I don't know how far it generalises, but a lot of my early 30s female friends complain about how hard it is to find a long term relationship. Dates are easy to get, but explicitly looking for a long term thing puts off a lot of guys because it's just not the expectation. There is pressure to hold off on deep conversations or say you're just looking for fun when that really isn't the case. 'sometimes I just tell the g…

Funny thing: I've also heard the opposite complaint from a lot of people!

But it's true, most people really go to Tinder expecting only dating and one night stands.

However, when you're upfront and tell guys you want to settle down you're filtering them, so I guess it's working as intended?

Maybe putting that info in your profile would make it harder to get matches, but at least you'll won't have bad surprises.

EDIT: Another choice is to just keep quiet during dates and probe the guys subtly. Works for some people.

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Post by 18pfsmt »

shubb wrote: post #283
stefco_ wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This applies to a very small minority of men. The confident, attractive types with great bodies. An average woman will still get lots of attention on dating website and have a lot of guys to pick from, an average guy won't really get any attention on such websites. I don't know where you live/what dating pool you have experience with, but here are some contrasting anecdotal observations from NYC: 1) Straight women…

I don't know how far it generalises, but a lot of my early 30s female friends complain about how hard it is to find a long term relationship. Dates are easy to get, but explicitly looking for a long term thing puts off a lot of guys because it's just not the expectation. There is pressure to hold off on deep conversations or say you're just looking for fun when that really isn't the case. 'sometimes I just tell the g…

I'm too old and privacy conscious to partake in such activities as Tinder, so I do it the old-fashioned way. Volunteering at the local library and hanging out on my local river trail has been been the best way for me to meet potential partners. Bars were quite effective until my mid-30s, but things change as people age.

Also, I bet the West Slope of Colorado is different, dynamically, than NYC. I live in a town, not a metropolics, so that has to make a difference.

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Post by watwut »

iamnothere wrote: post #201
moomin wrote: post #145

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Germany tried that in the 1930s. The de-platforming required later was historic.

Actually Germany had strict hate speech laws and worked hard to prevent the Nazis from rising to power. From this article: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/copenhagen-speech-v... Weimar Germany did have hate-speech laws, and they were applied quite frequently. The assertion that Nazi propaganda played a significant role in mobilizing anti-Jewish sentiment is, of course, irrefutable. But to claim that the Holo…

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Post by nfrbc »

irvwash wrote: post #308
throwaway5d097 wrote: post #304

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A global ban for promoting genocide or murder doesn't seem too complicated

It's still more work, because some people will get upset that they're not allowed to promote genocide. It still has edge cases (I've seen some hairy examples from Facebook moderation guidelines). It's also still more of a free speech issue than deleting spam is. That doesn't mean such a ban would be bad, but it is complicated, and someone who doesn't like genocide might still not want it.

It's not that hard to understand.

A lot of people on Hacker News gets extremely upset when some site or institution decides to censor genocide advocacy, racism, or anything at all.

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Post by fit2rule »

jcranmer wrote: post #221
fit2rule wrote: post #156

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What the 5-eyes nations are doing in the Middle East and parts of Asia is clearly based on xenophobia. The West are terrified that places like Libya, Iraq, Iran, Yemen .. Afghanistan .. Palestine .. will unite and create a dominant union in the region which shuts out Western influence entirely. And, indeed, these nations who might formerly have had a chance to create such a union, have xenophobic reasoning to do so.…

Yeah, the United Arab Republic turned out so well... For the countries you list, the only time in history that they ever were all in the same country was a brief period during the Abbasid Caliphate, which quickly broke apart. There is a lot of bad blood between Persians and Levantine Arabs that is going to prevent any sort of stable long-term stability.

I think you're just proving my point. Justifications such as you proffer do nothing to convince me otherwise:

We in the West are very xenophobic when it comes to assessing those nations we've destroyed in the last 20 years. We're not really being fair about such propositions as 'long term stability', really, when we do everything we can to make sure the region stays unstable...

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Post by davesmith1983 »

spaced-out wrote: post #293
davesmith1983 wrote: post #253

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Are we? Because articles such as this seem to blame 8chan and 4chan (they never mention the rest of the site which has stuff from /g which is GNU stuff and the transexual and gay communities on there). Back in the 90s they blamed Doom, Heavy metal and Rap music. In the 1950s and 60s they blamed horror / slasher comics. As for giving them a platform and an audience bringing more followers, firstly this is terminology…

>Almost every-time one of these racists are actually spoken to the vast majority of the population reject their message. Deplatforming is the population rejecting their message.

Nope it isn't.

De-platforming happens to more politically moderate such as libertarians and conservatives.

It is normally done by a small number of people with a harassment campaign.

Any sort of soft censorship occurs it gives people an excuse to whine saying they are censored.

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Post by davesmith1983 »

pmyteh wrote: post #300
davesmith1983 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we? Because articles such as this seem to blame 8chan and 4chan (they never mention the rest of the site which has stuff from /g which is GNU stuff and the transexual and gay communities on there). Back in the 90s they blamed Doom, Heavy metal and Rap music. In the 1950s and 60s they blamed horror / slasher comics. As for giving them a platform and an audience bringing more followers, firstly this is terminology…

Nick Griffin's electoral success was not killed by his appearance on Question Time. In fact, a bunch of minority political positions have had a good deal of political oxygen from BBC appearances: I'm thinking mostly of Farage in the dog days of UKIP's popularity and also the Spiked!/Institute of Ideas collective. Griffin lost largely because there was factional instability in the BNP and then the rise of UKIP stole t…

He got absolutely mullered on Question time so I find that hard to believe.
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