Shutting Down Forum (GDPR) • Hacker News Board

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by derReineke » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 11:10 AM UTC

zeth___ wrote: post #335

ascorbic wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except this forum software does provide a tool that lets the user export their own data, as well as a tool that lets an admin strip all identifying data. The only way this targets non-European businesses is because the litigious nature of US culture seems to lead to this sort of overreaction. I'm also not sure how a malevolent user is any more incentivised to abuse this than DMCA. The DMCA lets them issue actual lega…

A lot of the US over reaction to the GDPR probably stems from the fact that they assume that Europe has a system where parties sue each other, the jury system, as opposed to the state suing parties, the inquisitorial system. Getting sued in Europe is a huge deal, getting sued in the US is part of doing business.

Yeah from what I have heard the main reason for this law is to stop obvious abuses to people's privacy. It seems that most overreactions are due to ignorance of the system behind the law or to make some kind of political statement.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by setquk » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 11:10 AM UTC

foota wrote: post #257

blub wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot to mention how this law hits your income quite hard, as you mentioned yourself a while ago: you're using internet advertising as supplemental income. And you're very likely using the services of one of the big players, like Google, the very ones you're suggesting should be explicitly targeted in another message below. Like I said before, including to you: the EU does not owe companies a business model, esp…

The costs are externalized yes but in many of these cases the person losing some privacy also benefits.

Smoking might cure anxiety but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t give you lung cancer...

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by oneeyedpigeon » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 11:10 AM UTC

em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #296

foepys wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you are saying is: don't use the internet. Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. got websites to implement their like buttons everywhere. The information gathered by them is collected and everybody is being tracked wherever they go.

You can neuter the like button, thanks to tools like Privacy Badger.

It's more scalable to neuter the button server-side than client-side, though. That button is clearly so 'wrong' from the consumer's point - I hope this is the beginning of the end.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by derReineke » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 11:15 AM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #46

I"m not really a fan of the GDPR. I don't think it really protects privacy. I think it just uses the power of the EU, a fairly big and strong organization, to intimidate the rest of the world to comply with laws that it really shouldn't have legal jurisdiction to enforce globally. I think this is a scary precedent to set that the biggest bully on the block can de facto enforce such standards because the rest of the w…

I'm not really sure why you think this. So, the EU should just let companies steal and sell their citizen's information? I mean, IIRC companies can have separate privacy policies for non-EU users. Also, you have a very narrow view of how information is "given" and collected. Literally using the internet is "giving away" your data. Should I go live in a cabin in a remote location surrounded by a Faraday Cage/Lead walls/magic invisible shield?

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by lajhsdfkl » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 11:19 AM UTC

ascorbic wrote: post #339

lajhsdfkl wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then wtf is the point of GDPR if nobody will be sued for violating it?

The point is to make companies stop misusing data. The fines are the teeth for if they don't stop.

So I should be afraid of litigation?

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 11:24 AM UTC

zeth___ wrote: post #335

ascorbic wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except this forum software does provide a tool that lets the user export their own data, as well as a tool that lets an admin strip all identifying data. The only way this targets non-European businesses is because the litigious nature of US culture seems to lead to this sort of overreaction. I'm also not sure how a malevolent user is any more incentivised to abuse this than DMCA. The DMCA lets them issue actual lega…

A lot of the US over reaction to the GDPR probably stems from the fact that they assume that Europe has a system where parties sue each other, the jury system, as opposed to the state suing parties, the inquisitorial system. Getting sued in Europe is a huge deal, getting sued in the US is part of doing business.

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Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by brown9-2 » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 11:33 AM UTC

bigbugbag wrote: post #256

clon wrote: post #176

Guy shuts down forum, goes through the nightmare letter dissecting each part as "good question" or "you should have this already" or "easy one". So what was his issue anyway?

Guys moves from discourse forum to subreddit for community discussion because he got a GDPR letter from a start up head or something. links to what he thinks has been used to craft the letter he received. Underlying issue is that guy does not have time to deal with GDPR and discourse does not offer the proper tools, so he went the easy route of outsourcing, but he overlooked that he's still probably still liable unde…

How is reddit different than discourse here? Is discourse hosted?

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by EliRivers » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 11:34 AM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #46

I"m not really a fan of the GDPR. I don't think it really protects privacy. I think it just uses the power of the EU, a fairly big and strong organization, to intimidate the rest of the world to comply with laws that it really shouldn't have legal jurisdiction to enforce globally. I think this is a scary precedent to set that the biggest bully on the block can de facto enforce such standards because the rest of the w…

I think this is a scary precedent to set that the biggest bully on the block can de facto enforce such standards because the rest of the world is terrified of the consequences of standing up to them

Precedent? It's hardly the first time one powerful body politic has enforced its own standards on others. A very, very, very long way from the first time.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by dpark » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 11:38 AM UTC

bigbugbag wrote: post #252

skinnymuch wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OP initially says if you’re small time they likely won’t target you. Are you really saying if you’re super small time, the EU is going to go after your payment processing? Of course anything is possible. It seems highly unlikely though. Then his/her last point is that they’ll give you a chance to correct things. Your post doesn’t seem to cover that either.

The way it's been done in the past, it usually starts by notifying you and giving you reasonable time (a month) to fix things then move up to sanctions. But this is not a given every time and not everyone goes the nice route, some go directly to court. So when you are a small fish, you are better off doing your best to follow the GDPR in the first place than scrambling to avoid sanction in a limited time later. it is…

> it is not that complicated to not collect data you don't need, ask before collecting it and informing about what you do with it.

This is not all the GDPR requires. You’re just describing traditional Privacy Policy.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by marenkay » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 11:39 AM UTC

Considering GDPR is actually a thing from 2016, and 25th May only marked the day from which on it would actively be enforced... that kind of comes late.

What I wonder: this is an Open Source project, so why not ask the community for help instead?

Being a long-time (very happy) Drone user, I would have happily helped to produce the necessary documents for the project if that had been asked before the final deadline.

Well, probably would even do that now.