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Important caveat: the US government is reducing it's own efforts to combat climate change. That's not censorship.

I've read through a few definitions of the word "censorship", just now, and I don't think any of them make this particular distinction.

First Amendment law makes this distinction.

https://www.popehat.com/2017/01/25/quick-cheat-sheet-on-firs...

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Just FYI, Youtube is heavilly sensored in the Czech Republic (we have very strong laws against political extremism, like jail time for extreme right wing speech..). But I don't know of any actual domains that are blocked. The government doesn't need a great firewall to censor. They can simply slap a 2 year jail sentence on anyone who shares a right wing video and that's enough to get youtube to censor itself. Edit: I…

Is there jail time for extreme left wing speech? Like Che Guevara, Mao, Hugo Chavez? Not arguing -- just genuinely curious how extremism is defined there.

In Poland, the same laws prohibit (meaning - jail time) spreading fascist and communist ideas.

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I'm a canuck who has worked with Turks and has visited Turkey. They're a wonderful people from a beautiful country with a real problem of a person in power. Turkey is almost entirely Muslim, yet they produce alcohol and tolerate its consumption within their borders, even by their own people. Let that fact sink in for a moment. Erdogan is subverting the premier secular democracy of the Islamic world, but nobody seems…

Isn't it kinda undemocratic for "the West" to go in and overthrow an, ironically enough, democratically elected dictator?

I am not sure about truly democratically elected part, but if its truly democratically elected it should be fine with the rest of the world.

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Every strongman is not a hitler, mao or stalin. Especially, when they come through with largely "free" elections. Abuse of power as President is different from putting 6 million people in gas chambers and marching around and being responsible for deaths to 10s of millions of people. Lets have some perspective here, Please!

Hitler came out of largely "free" elections. I don't think, that every despot is similar to Hitler, but still it is a despot. BTW: How do you recognize a despot: He behaves like one. Just open your eyes!

To be fair, the issue here is that he seemed to be an undesirable despot. A good despot is actually better than a democracy, but they are just terribly risky every regime change. And a bad despot is.. well, terrible.

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I'm a canuck who has worked with Turks and has visited Turkey. They're a wonderful people from a beautiful country with a real problem of a person in power. Turkey is almost entirely Muslim, yet they produce alcohol and tolerate its consumption within their borders, even by their own people. Let that fact sink in for a moment. Erdogan is subverting the premier secular democracy of the Islamic world, but nobody seems…

> Turkey is nothing like the common stereotypes we have of it in the West From what I see, there are two Turkeys - the liberal Turkey which resides in cities like Izmir and the conservative ones which come from places like Bursa or Gaziantep. Currently, there are fewer liberal Turks than the conservative ones. > People in the West need to wake up and do their due diligence on Erdogan's regime On this point, I've alwa…

It's not that we don't care, it's just we have our own problems, have you been following what's going on here?

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Hi. Sorry to single out your country in particular, but its hard to talk in general :) We get a lot of comments in main Internet portals which present Russians as victims of NATO aggression in case of Ukrainian conflict. It always misses the point of who invaded who. There is a lot of comments threatening Poland with nuclear conflict, in particular after US Army established its presence here. These are examples. But…

Are those comments that you are talking about online publications of some established Russian media outlets, or are they just comments of some random visitors to the sites? As for invasion and NATO aggression, I think it’s worth reminding oneself that there are several opposite narratives battling each other and pushing different agendas — God knows whose. Russia is certainly meddling in Ukranian affairs (and it’s re…

Ukraine and Russia ar at what exhausts the definition of a war - both Russian and Ukrainian military are fighting over a piece of land.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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The president censored the staff of the EPA, that's true whichever picture you take.

Incorrect, if you define of 'censorship' as the illegal suppression of information, as I and others do. Any structural changes (including withholding information - or will you no longer complacently consent to living under a system wherein secret classifications exist?) are entirely legal, and so not 'censorship'. I'm not saying I agree with the idea, but the system you're in does not magically adapt to suit your ide…

Yes, if you define it to suit your point. But that's not the meaning of the term.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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I would understand blocking WikiLeaks but blocking Wikipedia is a whole level of cenorship. Turkish people should reconsider their freedom. I don't live there and I am not Turk so I can't make more comments not knowing what's really going on there. God bless.

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Yup, censorship is now a global trend. We shouldn't forget that it also happens in many Western countries such as Denmark, Finland, France, ... https://explorer.ooni.torproject.org/world/ And if we look in particular at government censorship of Wikipedia or some articles in it we find quiet a few Western countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_censorship_of_Wikip...

I don't understand what the "anomalies" this site detects in Denmark, Finland, and France represent, but the site itself says that they don't necessarily represent censorship and that it has only confirmed censorship in the following 12 countries: Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, India, Indonesia, Greece, Sudan, Belgium, Cyprus and Korea.

IDK about censorship, but France had strict laws when it comes to Nazi support or Holocaust denial.

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(Warning: opinions without citation) Collective will has never solved anything. As always it will be technology. Whether you'll be allowed to trade with or travel into another community will depend on the specific rules and agreements your and the other community decided to take part in. At smaller scale it will be much more obvious how important these things are. In those negotiations, communities with natural advan…

> Collective will has never solved anything. As always it will be technology. Technology is a tool. There are always humans behind it. (If nothing else, the people designing the algorithms for the AI overlords) Technology may help us to reach our goals, but in my opinion, it's rather useless if we're not even clear what our goals are. > At smaller scale it will be much more obvious how important these things are. And…

> I don't see why it would be different here.

It would not. But then the water-poor would realize its better to be practicial than idiological. I believe in real life noone is all-poor. One as an individual or group has always something to offer. The water-poor/everyone would realize that there is cost of socialism which not everyone can afford.

> How does that make any sense?

Ancap are not happy with current state of inequality which is due to violence. Inequality due to trading-power is "ok". Though not bundled with ancapism, wars against current market leaders are heavely encouraged and just occur naturally.

> If you're talking about human life spans, ...

Though I concur this is not what I said. If you restrict the time period ofcourse you are going to find all sort of anomolies.

> The whole idea of our current system is to prevent that by imposing restrictions on power.

Current systems do not distinguish between powers who break NAP and who does not. If current systems just focus on the former and leave latter alone not only the unpleasent shifts of powers can be avoided but also libertarianism/ancapism need not exist.

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