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Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by kirillzubovsky »

thinknot wrote: post #49

>People in the West need to wake up and do their due diligence on Erdogan's regime. There's some seriously scary stuff happening because of this guy. Honest question, why should the west care about every single problem that happens anywhere in the world? Why should we spend billions in wars, shed lots of our own blood, etc? Haven't we had enough of that?

Human behavior isn't exclusive to one country or one point in time, so if you want to improve where we are going to be tomorrow, it helps to look at the past at one's own history, and all around, and to use this information to make better decisions.

You might see trends or evidence of causality, which may not necessarily happen, but might. Being aware of it can help you, and me, and all of us, to reason and to make the right choices.

For example, you may not believe that your president will become a dictator, but then you look at other countries, and realize that neither did their people, until they got a dictator. There's a lesson in there somewhere. It helps to be aware.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by timthelion »

nebabyte wrote: post #133
timthelion wrote: post #50

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Just FYI, Youtube is heavilly sensored in the Czech Republic (we have very strong laws against political extremism, like jail time for extreme right wing speech..). But I don't know of any actual domains that are blocked. The government doesn't need a great firewall to censor. They can simply slap a 2 year jail sentence on anyone who shares a right wing video and that's enough to get youtube to censor itself. Edit: I…

So the videos are still accessible and can simply be shared offline? Just use a URL shortener and print up links to pass around. Sneakernet still can't be tracked

It says "this video is not available in your country."

I don't really need to spend my time and energy spreading holocaust denial and ISIS beheading videos ;)

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by isostatic »

agumonkey wrote: post #143
mercurial wrote: post #141

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1) There is a conservative majority in Turkey, which has flourished under Erdogan, both economically and societally. They have no reason to stop supporting them. 2) Not wanting a military coup does not make one a supporter of Erdogan. But yeah, the secularist block seems to be powerless to do anything (and not even talking about the Kurds).

I would be hard pressed to believe the people pushing out tanks that night were just anti-coup.

Nor were they rural farmers

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by ptaipale »

mino wrote: post #165
sorenjan wrote: post #122

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Real people rarely want war, they all want the same basic things: food and shelter, a good future for their kids, and to live in peace. This is universal over the whole world, unless they've had their minds poisoned by leaders with their own agendas, be it political or religious. However, most people also don't really care that much about other people, especially in other countries. So they elect people to handle tha…

> More than 63% voted yes in Germany for instance. I also was baffled about the results of the Turkish vote abroad. How is it possible that, in many EU states, they won which such a majority? I would have expected expats to be generally more liberal/globalist/progressive.

>How is it possible that, in many EU states, they won which such a majority?

Of course one explanation is:

"The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do."

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by [deleted] »

beloch wrote: post #31

I'm a canuck who has worked with Turks and has visited Turkey. They're a wonderful people from a beautiful country with a real problem of a person in power. Turkey is almost entirely Muslim, yet they produce alcohol and tolerate its consumption within their borders, even by their own people. Let that fact sink in for a moment. Erdogan is subverting the premier secular democracy of the Islamic world, but nobody seems…

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Post by wavefunction »

ivanbakel wrote: post #157
madeofpalk wrote: post #149

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> Turkey is almost entirely Muslim, yet they produce alcohol and tolerate its consumption within their borders, even by their own people. Let that fact sink in for a moment. Call me naive, but is this actually a problem? I'm fairly secular and don't know much about how 'Muslim states' operate, but if they're producing alcohol, for it's population who drinks and and doesn't care, what is the actual problem here? Shoul…

The point is that there's no problem at all. The standard for many Islamic countries to introduce parts of Islamic law as state law, such as the forbidding of alcohol or the veiling of women. By contrast, Turkey is much more secular in its government.

Was. There's been a steady trend towards theism and religiousity promoted by Erdogan.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by [deleted] »

fapjacks wrote: post #105
azangru wrote: post #65

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Being a Russian, I am naturally very curious about this idea of the Russian propaganda getting a stronger and stronger influence over the minds of people in other countries. Could you kindly elaborate on the following issues that mystify me: - Where do people get the Russian news and why do they care about what Russia has to say? I mean, I don't follow Polish news (or French news, or German news, etc.); so why would…

Just to give you one answer, at least in the United States, a not insignificant number of people read or watch RT.com, and -- this is really terrible, but it's true -- they aren't aware that "RT" stands for "Russia Today" and is basically a pro-Russian news outlet. I'm not sure how you folks view Russia Today, but at least in the United States, people that know that "RT" == "Russia Today" consider it very pro-Russian…

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Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by goodplay »

cryptarch wrote: post #203

Totally agree. Have a look at some controversial pages if you've never encountered one, like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment I'm triggered so here's my soapbox: Wikipedia currently undermines the idea that human beings have a sex that is grounded in biological reality, and pushes the notion of "sex assigned at birth", the unreality of biological sex and the reality of transgenderism as non-ment…

Agreed with your statement in general. I once added a [citation needed] to a non-controversial technical statement that was false by definition only to have the edit reverted. When I asked for an explanation, the editor replied that the tag "has no place on a highly visible page". I never participated after that point.

People who have a lot of time or have been incentivised to edit wikipedia will always have the final say in what changes persist, regardless of the rules that governs the site.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by azangru »

agsamek wrote: post #95
azangru wrote: post #65

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Being a Russian, I am naturally very curious about this idea of the Russian propaganda getting a stronger and stronger influence over the minds of people in other countries. Could you kindly elaborate on the following issues that mystify me: - Where do people get the Russian news and why do they care about what Russia has to say? I mean, I don't follow Polish news (or French news, or German news, etc.); so why would…

Hi. Sorry to single out your country in particular, but its hard to talk in general :) We get a lot of comments in main Internet portals which present Russians as victims of NATO aggression in case of Ukrainian conflict. It always misses the point of who invaded who. There is a lot of comments threatening Poland with nuclear conflict, in particular after US Army established its presence here. These are examples. But…

Are those comments that you are talking about online publications of some established Russian media outlets, or are they just comments of some random visitors to the sites?

As for invasion and NATO aggression, I think it’s worth reminding oneself that there are several opposite narratives battling each other and pushing different agendas — God knows whose. Russia is certainly meddling in Ukranian affairs (and it’s revolting) — but invasion? Isn’t it an act of war? Aren’t countries at war with each other if one country invades another? As for NATO, both NATO and Russia seem to be saber-rattling, each side responding to the demonstrations of the other by further threats. This is plain madness!

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by mk89 »

ardaozkal wrote: post #180
mino wrote: post #165

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> More than 63% voted yes in Germany for instance. I also was baffled about the results of the Turkish vote abroad. How is it possible that, in many EU states, they won which such a majority? I would have expected expats to be generally more liberal/globalist/progressive.

When you don't feel the effects of your vote, you don't care about what you vote. I feel like this was the case of the referendum.

It's easy to blame it on "ignorance" as "I am not there, so I don't know". In that country they also voted for it.

Why don't we simply face the ugly truth that most people who voted for YES are the alpha-males, unable to speak the country language, living in parallel societies, who want submissive women?

That's the kind of stereotype that Erdogan wants. I mean, Kurds are nice people, but for some reason they need to be wiped out. Boh!?

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