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Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by KronisLV »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #296
jerf wrote: post #73

Oracle, the law firm with a tech business attached, probably wants to retain the option to sue other people for AI-washing their proprietary code, and that doesn't work if they're also publicly accepting AI contributions to their code with no apparent concern for the provenance of it. The tech business would probably tell them this isn't going to be a needle they are going to be able to successfully thread, but the l…

What I don't understand is why anyone with half a brain would even venture to touch Oracle with a ten foot pole given that they've had this reputation for at least the last 25 years. Why, people?

> Why, people?

As someone who's had to use the Oracle database and also Oracle Linux on servers, beats me. Also stuff like Oracle ADF and JDeveloper and JBoss/WildFly, no thank you.

I seriously hope someone got bribed to choose Oracle cause it doesn't make sense otherwise, at least then they would have gotten something good out of it.

The closest thing to an actual argument I've heard was wanting paid support - in which case let me introduce to KronisCo (which will be registered shortly) and if you only give me fat coffeurs of money, I will provide similar support for PostgreSQL with the added benefits of your developers not wanting to retire at 30. Like why would anyone pay for Oracle in the first place, when they can just collect that cheque themselves and freeload on battle-tested FOSS (or contribute back)? Seeing a software dev org just pass those sums to Oracle from their clients without trying to capture that seemed wild.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by inigyou »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #296
jerf wrote: post #73

Oracle, the law firm with a tech business attached, probably wants to retain the option to sue other people for AI-washing their proprietary code, and that doesn't work if they're also publicly accepting AI contributions to their code with no apparent concern for the provenance of it. The tech business would probably tell them this isn't going to be a needle they are going to be able to successfully thread, but the l…

What I don't understand is why anyone with half a brain would even venture to touch Oracle with a ten foot pole given that they've had this reputation for at least the last 25 years. Why, people?

They don't need our business. They only need the large corporate clients who run on corruption and inertia.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by inigyou »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #306
dearsiary7 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because my boss like golf courses and even more when oracle sales rep pays.

Wait, Oracle sales reps give decision-makers personal kickbacks for buying Oracle?? Stay classy Oracle. Such a banal depth of evil. Why hasn't this been outlawed? I guess companies that knowingly employ such managers deserve to lose whatever Oracle's legal team extracts out of them.

Pretty much every business does this to acquire large corporate and government customers.

Every customer acquisition will be weeks or months of in-person discussions over golf, expensive dinners, resort vacations, or the like.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by inigyou »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #315
kdheiwns wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you're surprised. That's just how business/networking/capitalism works everywhere on earth and it's been like that since the dawn of civilization. And why would Congress stop is since they're all getting the same benefits and don't even hide it?

I guess I thought integrity was still at least considered an ideal to strive for in the West.

That's just what they tell the peons, so the peons won't compete with them for the corruption opportunities.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by inigyou »

skinfaxi wrote: post #188
TimTheTinker wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison. You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn - you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' - lawnmower doesn't give a * about you, the lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmo…

Who does this metaphor serve? To me it seems to try to legitimize the actions as a force of nature.

Anyone who is trying to understand Oracle

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by inigyou »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #256
senderista wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s an interesting story to bring up in this context, because I have always wondered how a fundamentally customer-hostile business like Oracle could be so successful. It really puts the lie to libertarian cliches about the invisible hand of capitalism that ends up being philanthropic in spite of itself.

those libertarians almost certainly don't believe in asinine things like 'copyright'

Libertarians almost always support government regulations that benefit rich people.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by inigyou »

skinfaxi wrote: post #274
wavemode wrote: post #272

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Well (to make an analogy), nature produces psychopaths - some people's brains just aren't capable of empathy. Whether you characterize that observation as "legitimizing" or just "being realistic" is merely a philosophical concern.

Since when are human actions categorized as being a consequence of nature? Does that let me steal or murder without consequence?

Why do you think consequences of nature can't have consequences?

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by inigyou »

dosisking wrote: post #311
phendrenad2 wrote: post #183

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Legal departments are ironically very much like LLMs. They are trained on a narrow set of data and don't really understand the real world. If you let them run wild with no supervision they'll turn your company into slop. Someone needs to be there to reign them in, asking the all-important questions like "is suing all of our customers and making them angry REALLY the best option?" (to which they will reply, "You're ri…

> Legal departments are ironically very much like LLMs. Replacing legal departments with LLMs is probably the best use-case for LLMs. Using LLMs for coding is a waste of time and a dead end, however using LLMs for legal stuff would make the world a better place.

Meanwhile, on Lawyer News:

Replacing development departments with AIs is probably the best use-case for AIs.

Using AIs for law is a waste of time and a dead end, however using AIs for computer stuff would make the world a better place.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by inigyou »

jasonlotito wrote: post #202
shevy-java wrote: post #198

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Makes sense, but they take an anti-AI stand, which I find good no matter for which reason they do that.

No, they haven't. They are investing in it by the tune of billions. They are pro-AI.

They are in fact investing so much that if AGI doesn't happen tomorrow, Larry Ellison may be bankrupt. I can't wait.
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