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Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by lenerdenator »

fidotron wrote: post #294
lenerdenator wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We didn't cut off anything. American companies would have been more than happy to continue offering products and services in the Chinese market. The Chinese government didn't like that idea. They attacked American companies, stole the IP, and created their own analogs of American corporate offerings. If you are a company and are targeted by a totalitarian government, it's not unreasonable to pull out of that totalita…

> When China was expected to play by those rules and allow American companies to do business in a mostly-unfettered way, they attacked the companies and drove them out of their market. This deserves to be pinned in the eternal HN hall of shame for absolutely staggering blind hypocrisy.

Okay, how? Show sources please.

Here's mine. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by rolymath »

applicative wrote: post #267

Everyone keeps assuming that China will forever be publishing these models, but it is clear as a bell that that day is over. In the end every model will be buried under state control for the simple reason that they will soon be really dangerous, as China understands better than anyone. They will give Kimi K3 to the Sinaloa cartel and the US military, but that's about the end of it. Perfecting these autonomous agentia…

> that day is over.

I see zero indications of this. As a matter of fact, I see evidence of the opposite, the Chinese government has just come out in support of open weight AI last week.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by novaleaf »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #330
novaleaf wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

keep in mind that Kimi trains on your data, so if you care about that, sandbox what it has access to.

They only train on the subscription memberships. Like everyone else. They also have a metered API that is not used for training (like most others too).

With Openai and Anthropic, you can opt-out of training. Kimi you can't.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by HappMacDonald »

gck1 wrote: post #304
Agingcoder wrote: post #280

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Yeah I tried to have a conversation about security yesterday with Claude and it immediately stopped me - I was taken aback, I didn’t expect it at all. This is highly problematic.

Claude's "I'm going to draw the line here", "This is where I'm going to hold the ground" always rubs me the wrong way. Classifiers rejecting a request are one thing, but there's something very troubling about machine saying "I'm going to draw the line".

I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by sigmoid10 »

novaleaf wrote: post #333
sigmoid10 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They only train on the subscription memberships. Like everyone else. They also have a metered API that is not used for training (like most others too).

With Openai and Anthropic, you can opt-out of training. Kimi you can't.

Wdym? According to their FAQ, you can opt-out for Kimi memberships too.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by fidotron »

lenerdenator wrote: post #331
fidotron wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When China was expected to play by those rules and allow American companies to do business in a mostly-unfettered way, they attacked the companies and drove them out of their market. This deserves to be pinned in the eternal HN hall of shame for absolutely staggering blind hypocrisy.

Okay, how? Show sources please. Here's mine. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora

How about the entire history of US-Japan trade relations?

Or are you really as oblivious as you are claiming?

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by throw10920 »

novaleaf wrote: post #141

Some irony: I subscribe to Claude and Codex (20x plans), and now Kimi. Why Kimi? because K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security. (I did apply for OpenAi's Cyber Pilot but got no response)

I've had repeated conversations with Opus about cybersecurity and never gotten a refusal.
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