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Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by applicative »

nerdyadventurer wrote: post #248
Robdel12 wrote: post #210

https://www.anthropic.com/news/donation-public-first-action Probably because anthropic is pouring $40 million dollars into a political pact to regulate models. And they have not been quiet about wanting to ban/regulate OSS models either. I have no idea why HN still treats them like ~their~ they are the ethical good guy. Edit: I can’t English. At least we know this came from my dumb swishy brain

These AI CEOs are psychopaths, they will do anything to get big bucks from defense contracts. There is recent interview with Dario where he said Iran school bombings do not even violate their redlines[1]. Full interview [2] shows that he think like Trump (we are the superior nation) 1. Breaking Points Discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIUrshGwgDI 2. Full Bloomberg interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=…

Don't worry, kimi k3 will be open in a few days and anyone can bomb all the schools they want.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by ls612 »

encrypted_bird wrote: post #250
storus wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they are using long optical cables attached to drones. The battlefield looks like a giant spider web afterwards.

I genuinely can't tell if you're joking, though I'd like to believe you are...

Fiber optic drones are real but the fully autonomous drones others are describing are also real (but less publicized due to the bad PR around killbots)

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by dannyw »

Razengan wrote: post #186

Wait.. If "distillation" produces better results than the "original" models, why don't the US model owners do it to themselves? Have ChatGPT 5.6 talk to itself to produce 5.7 or whatever? And since they already know which requests came from China or looked like distillation, can't they just replay those same prompts?

They already do and everyone has been using that concept for years now, it's known as RLAIF.

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Post by [deleted] »

novaleaf wrote: post #219
ozgrakkurt wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security. This is wrong IMO. You should have a serious conversation about your products security with someone who is actually trained on that subject. LLMs are useless if you don't already know more about the thing than the LLM, or if you don't care too much about the outcome (internal tools etc.)

I think security is an integral part of any production software, and if you get value from LLM's in software development, it seems likely they can be useful in security too. My point and frustration is that gatekeeping in the name of Security makes the Chinese models actually better at security than USA models.

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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by applicative »

somenameforme wrote: post #117
christina97 wrote: post #9

I wonder what is happening behind closed doors for these companies to be issuing such a joint letter.

The future will probably have most of all companies running local models, simply because the alternative would be essentially every company that uses LLMs ending up becoming completely dependent upon Anthropic et al. And that dependence would be milked to the point of absurdity once solidly established. And as a more general point - more major competitors in a domain is very good for everybody except those competitor…

China will be dropping the open models blather any day now. The autonomous agential coding Ai just turned out to be way too easy to perfect. They will give Kimi K3 to the Sinaloa cartel on Monday, but that's going to be the end of it.

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Post by subarctic »

storus wrote: post #242
daymanstep wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Human in the loop is infeasible in comms denied areas which is what we have in Ukraine/Russia right now. It's why Ukraine and Russia are now using fully autonomous drones. That's the only real solution to jamming.

No, they are using long optical cables attached to drones. The battlefield looks like a giant spider web afterwards.

Are they still doing that? I saw that months ago

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by applicative »

Everyone keeps assuming that China will forever be publishing these models, but it is clear as a bell that that day is over. In the end every model will be buried under state control for the simple reason that they will soon be really dangerous, as China understands better than anyone. They will give Kimi K3 to the Sinaloa cartel and the US military, but that's about the end of it.

Perfecting these autonomous agential coding AIs just moved way way faster than anyone expected. People are desperately trying to save their principles from six months ago but it's a different world. They can work out their issues with Trump, Dario and Sam, but it is Xi who will shut all this down.

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Post by anon373839 »

cogman10 wrote: post #211
Robdel12 wrote: post #210

https://www.anthropic.com/news/donation-public-first-action Probably because anthropic is pouring $40 million dollars into a political pact to regulate models. And they have not been quiet about wanting to ban/regulate OSS models either. I have no idea why HN still treats them like ~their~ they are the ethical good guy. Edit: I can’t English. At least we know this came from my dumb swishy brain

> I have no idea why HN still treats them like their the ethical good guy. I don't know that HN usually does. But they did buy a decent amount of publicity by (initially) telling the US government no in using the models for war.

Personally, I never bought the good-guys act. But judging from the HN pulse, it seems to me that the decisive moment when Anthropic lost its halo is when it decided to start silently sabotaging users working on LLM research that might compete with Anthropic. It was so blatantly monopolistic and abusive that it seemed to be mask-off moment for many.

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Post by gr_norm »

random3 wrote: post #253
Robdel12 wrote: post #210

https://www.anthropic.com/news/donation-public-first-action Probably because anthropic is pouring $40 million dollars into a political pact to regulate models. And they have not been quiet about wanting to ban/regulate OSS models either. I have no idea why HN still treats them like ~their~ they are the ethical good guy. Edit: I can’t English. At least we know this came from my dumb swishy brain

And what else, forbid running workloads outside of US so you can’t offshore workloads? What’s the rationale behind policies that can be detrimental only to US companies?

To maximize personal influence and wealth, of course. These days, many with power don't seem to care much about uplifting society so long as they get theirs.

Hopefully Anthropic eats crow here, lest their wish is fulfilled that we all become slaves to the anointed few who work there. Never getting another dollar from me after pulling these stunts.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by cyh555 »

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #230
satyrnein wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been the prevailing advice all along, and yet we have security vulnerabilities everywhere that LLMs are good at spotting and exploiting. I think we need more options on the menu.

You hire someone that knows security and that guy uses an LLM. Ignorant business guy or the research engineer genius guy won’t be able to do much with just an LLM. You can easily see this if you are using LLMs in a field you are an expert in

You are right, but you can't convince anyone, because the product owner bear all the responsibilities for his/her decisions.
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