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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Looks like you want the opposite the market wants. On the bright side, at least now you know who wants those things: Almost everybody else other than you.

I also am fine with this, I don’t need thinner than things already are. More battery life and product longevity on the other hand is brilliant.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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My powerbrick connects to the back of my phone. Form factor wise it's pretty close to my extra large StarTac removable battery that I would carry around.

Bully for you! Id like my user replaceable 100% full batteries back if its ok with you?

Then go buy one of the phones with replaceable batteries?

https://www.androidcentral.com/best-android-phone-removable-...

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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"Which flagship phones with replaceable batteries can customers buy?" Most of the Kyocera Duraforce line has this ability.

Their latest and greatest PRO 3 runs a chip that was mid-range when it releases 4 years ago and only 6 GB of RAM. That is decidedly not a flagship.

My Kyocera will work in orbit and withstand intense radiation. In fact, this very moment my new Duraforce Pro 3 is having fun in a launch-testing thermal/vac chamber.

Kyocera's 'flagship' is high-reliability phones in absolute garbage environments.

Samsung's 'flagship' overheats and earns them class-action lawsuits.

Motorola's 'flagship' is a hinged throwback to the 90s.

Apple's 'flagship' is an overpriced piece of vendor lock-in.

Meanwhile my phone takes serious abuse and laughs at it. I've dropped it and watched it go more than 700 feet down the side of a mountain (Chambless Skarn) and BARELY chip the screen protector. Waterproofing still intact. Case barely scratched.

What you consider a flagship phone is a brittle piece of junk in my hands.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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The point is that people have different preferences, so the EU should not force people to buy phones with removable batteries. People who want such features can buy those phones, and people who want smaller, thinner phones can buy ones with integrated batteries. At most the EU should tax externalities like electronic waste, though that would be a rounding error compared to the cost of the phone itself.

> The point is that people have different preferences, so the EU should not force people to buy phones with removable batteries. There are many food additives with very useful properties, but health effects. There are many perfumes too where the original formulation had a particular compound layer found to be carcinogenic. Regardless of whether an individual prefers to use such compounds at their own risk or not, lar…

> (And if you think you truly have choice as a consumer, I challenge you to use a phone that isn't running either Apple or Google's code.)

Why doesn't this count as a choice? Was it more of a choice when Windows Phone was still around?

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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"Yes, when you buy it, no after 3 years when the glue that waterproofs no longer sticks due to ageing." My 2014 Kyocera Duraforce Pro is STILL waterproof and I use it for underwater photography incessantly.

all that water is keeping the glue moist

No glue, it's all screws and gaskets.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Tell that to boat hull riveters

Now go look up why they stopped riveting ships in the 40's and went to welding, there are no modern riveted ships. Even with the rivets they were forged not pressed, nothing like a screw. Cheap aluminum boats are still riveted, welding preferred for obvious reasons. I have an old riveted aluminum John boat and is leaks through the rivets and seams...

> there are no modern riveted ships

> Cheap aluminum boats are still riveted

I think you may need to think out your entire post before typing such contradictions.

Riveted hulls worked for hundreds of years and well maintained they can last forever. Just bacause welding makes it cheaper to maintain in the long run does not detract from the fact that riveted hulls are very performant, which is why they were used everywhere that needed not only waterproofing but pressure containment too.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

And all of the commenters complaining they would never buy this phone is great proof that the removable battery movement is DOA.

These phones exist. Companies have been producing them intermittently. When they do, few people buy them and there are always complaints that it's too big, too ugly, not fast enough, or something else.

The vocal minority demanding this feature but refusing to buy phones with the feature believe they can have their cake and eat it too. They want phones with all the benefits of built-in batteries and none of the downsides of removable batteries.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Yes. Dont assume that everybody is technically minded such as yourself. I know plenty of people that would never even consider jump starting thei car. However are also quite happy with poppping open a battery cover and doing a simple swap like any other battery powered device.

You don't have to be "technically minded" to figure this out. It's not spinning up a Kubernetes cluster, it's a picture with an arrow that says "Clip red wire here". Simply driving a car is a thousand times more complicated, and we expect most everybody to be capable of that. There's also a difference between not wanting to do something, and not being capable of it.

You seem to judge the world by your own accument and ability, which is very dangerous.

Many milions of people are scared by things such as red and black wires and wont touch them with a barge pole.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Now go look up why they stopped riveting ships in the 40's and went to welding, there are no modern riveted ships. Even with the rivets they were forged not pressed, nothing like a screw. Cheap aluminum boats are still riveted, welding preferred for obvious reasons. I have an old riveted aluminum John boat and is leaks through the rivets and seams...

> there are no modern riveted ships > Cheap aluminum boats are still riveted I think you may need to think out your entire post before typing such contradictions. Riveted hulls worked for hundreds of years and well maintained they can last forever. Just bacause welding makes it cheaper to maintain in the long run does not detract from the fact that riveted hulls are very performant, which is why they were used everyw…

Wood boats have been around for hundreds of years as well doesn't mean they are just as good in leak resistance to welded boats...

Ship vs boat is also not a contradiction.

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