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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by bigbuppo »

inanutshellus wrote: post #158
nickpp wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it can technically be done At what cost though?! And no, I am not talking about money. Any device (and any product really) is a set of tradeoffs. I like it when different producers select a different subset of priorities for their offer. Competition at work. One of the reasons we witnessed such an awesome evolution in the smartphone market. I hate it when a bureaucrat dictates a set of demands with absolutely zero…

The tradeoff was discussed in a sibling thread: it's heavier by 58 grams and thicker by 2mm. That's it. That's the tradeoff. Why go crazy on the guy?

So the fun plateau will be less pronounced and fun?

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

SirMaster wrote: post #82
wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

Huh, my iPhones have never come close to this. They are always under 80% capacity before 1000 charge cycles.

Watch apple secretly defining 1000 charge cycles as 1500 10%-80% "normal use" days. (Remember the "full charge in 8 minutes fiasco? Well, I searched a reference but I didn't find any :/)

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Post by alt227 »

jeffbee wrote: post #222
creaturemachine wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember ios 10.2.1? Batterygate?

"Remember the time Apple fixed iOS so the iPhone would run instead of crashing under low voltage conditions" remains, to me, the most inexplicable of HN's mass psychoses.

Remember that they did it secretly and denied it for ages, only to backtrack and use this excuse when it was actually proven they were slowing the devices.

Dont let the marketing spin white-wash your long term memory of an event.

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Post by elzbardico »

Unless you have giant hands, with modern screen sizes, thinner devices are not merely a luxury. For people that have active outdoor lives, water resistance is also non-negotiable.

The only thing that you should care about if you are being pratical and not just an annoying nagging geek, is that you are not forced to use an authorized reseller to buy a replacement battery, and that batteries can be bought from third party suppliers.

Having to have a corner-shop cheap technician doing it once every 3 years is an acceptable trade-off in exchange to get thinner and water-resistant devices.

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Post by mossTechnician »

IanCal wrote: post #122
mossTechnician wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many flagship phones promise 7 years of security updates now. 3-4 years means the battery will only last for half that time, and heavy users (1 cycle per day) will hit that quota in under 2.75 years.

Importantly “last” means that it will have at least 80% battery capacity left.

That must be somewhat significant, because after that percent, Apple will start showing "Your battery’s health is significantly degraded" warnings.

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Post by conk »

badsectoracula wrote: post #191
ratiolat wrote: post #44

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IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

Unfortunately it is from 2022, meaning no OS upgrades. I think the next mandatory laws EU should pass is that manufacturers should either allow people to upgrade/replace the OS by themselves or provide mandatory upgrades for the next decade (i don't care how the manufacturers handle it, that's up to them, but the easiest way out of such a law is to allow people upgrade/replace the OS by themselves).

Why only one decade? I’m still running a 2012 Mac mini. Apple stopped updating Mac OS some time ago, but there are plenty of alternatives that can run on the bare metal. Hardware makers should be required to provide support for the life of the device (defined by customers still using the device), or provide a reasonable way to install 3rd party OS.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

znpy wrote: post #184
wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

I wonder who’s gonna verify the claims about holding or not holdings 80% charge after 1000 cycles. And what consequences will there be for whoever lies.

Reminds me when I tried to warranty a macbook air battery a couple years ago. I was already under 80% within the warranty period per System Profiler. They hook up their diagnostics and turns out, System Profiler is wrong, I was at 81% capacity after 1 year. No repair for me.

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

ratiolat wrote: post #44
foolfoolz wrote: post #16

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i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

I feel like the fact that the phone-with-removal-battery option already exists and is not popular in the market should be a signal to EU politicians about how much the public actually values this capability.

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Post by alt227 »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #78
wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

Doesn't seem like a problem. Assuming the phone needs recharging every 3 days, that's 80% capacity remaining after ~8.2 years; longer than the OS is likely to be supported. Assuming a recharge every 2 days, that's 80% capacity remaining after ~5.5 years.

You have a very loose definition of recharge and charge cycle which seems to fit Apples marketing spin like a glove.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

elzbardico wrote: post #264

Unless you have giant hands, with modern screen sizes, thinner devices are not merely a luxury. For people that have active outdoor lives, water resistance is also non-negotiable. The only thing that you should care about if you are being pratical and not just an annoying nagging geek, is that you are not forced to use an authorized reseller to buy a replacement battery, and that batteries can be bought from third pa…

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