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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by cuu508 »

xp84 wrote: post #64
_diyar wrote: post #8

Rule does not apply to gadgets that already retain 80% charge capacity at 1k charge cycles. What is the share of the smartphone market that this applies to?

You can bet it will be measured in such a way that the major companies’ devices will qualify. And that it will have little bearing on the retained charge amount you’ll have in real life use. I’m at 82% and 714 cycles. But it’s a joke to suggest that all cycles are equal. Some people never go outside the 20-80 band, others charge to 100% and keep it there all day, then burn it down to 10%. Both of those generate “cycl…

Do we know if and how cycles are defined in the regulation?

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lightedman wrote: post #92
mossTechnician wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which flagship phones with replaceable batteries can customers buy? Samsung was the last major brand in the US to have one, and they made the choice to remove it.

"Which flagship phones with replaceable batteries can customers buy?" Most of the Kyocera Duraforce line has this ability.

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Post by ben-schaaf »

lightedman wrote: post #92
mossTechnician wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which flagship phones with replaceable batteries can customers buy? Samsung was the last major brand in the US to have one, and they made the choice to remove it.

"Which flagship phones with replaceable batteries can customers buy?" Most of the Kyocera Duraforce line has this ability.

Their latest and greatest PRO 3 runs a chip that was mid-range when it releases 4 years ago and only 6 GB of RAM. That is decidedly not a flagship.

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Post by zahlman »

joe_mamba wrote: post #28
foolfoolz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

My low-cost plastic Casio watch based on a very old design is waterproof and battery can be swapped out by undoing 4 philips screws, no glue. Its buttons can also be operated under water while staying waterproof. What is this whicraft?

How do they waterproof around the screws?

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Post by jacobgorm »

ryandrake wrote: post #70
joe_mamba wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My low-cost plastic Casio watch based on a very old design is waterproof and battery can be swapped out by undoing 4 philips screws, no glue. Its buttons can also be operated under water while staying waterproof. What is this whicraft?

I get it for watches, but I've never understood the mass-market need for a waterproof phone, outside of a few niche hobbies. Are people showering and swimming with their phones or something? Or dropping them in their toilets? The wettest my phone has ever been in 8 years is in my pocket while it's raining.

It is not that long ago that smartphones would die from moisture exposure if you left them in the bathroom while taking a shower. I had a girlfriend around 2001 who spent all her savings on a shiny new Nokia 8250, got drunk and barfed on her jacket. The phone was in the pocket, and the moisture from the wet jacket completely killed it, she cried about it for weeks. I also remember my mother dropping her iPhone 6 in the harbor while getting off a boat, it got picked up but was dead. Last year I was out hiking in the rain, and my aging (5+ years old) iPhone 11 got water inside it and started dying soon after (I'd been sailing/swimming with the phone and had exposed it to salt water, apparently that will wear down the seals if you do it enough.)

In other words, I absolutely see the need for waterproof phones, even for ordinary people doing ordinary things, and am never going to buy one that isn't.

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Post by alt227 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #130
everdrive wrote: post #119

The number of people worried about a slightly thicker phone are absolutely baffling to me. I honestly think there is no hope for us broadly. Normally I'd say that people cannot deal with minor inconveniences -- but this does not even register as an inconvenience. From my view, this is a _perceived_ downgrade in luxury status. Not even a real downgrade in luxury status -- and not a downgrade in convenience whatsoever.

> this does not even register as an inconvenience You don’t have any idiosyncratic product preferences?

Not ones where design decisions reduce features for no other reason.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by elzbardico »

ratiolat wrote: post #44
foolfoolz wrote: post #16

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i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

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Post by creaturemachine »

hamdingers wrote: post #38
whazor wrote: post #34

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Still, the majority of the population would get a phone with replaceable battery.

All the top smartphone manufacturers hit that bar, at least for their mid and high end phones. The focus on apple is misleading and weird. This will only impact bottom barrel phones.

Remember ios 10.2.1? Batterygate?

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Post by jorams »

thewavelength wrote: post #20

I just called the shop to replace the perfectly fine e-Call battery in my soon four year old Hyundai car. 250€ to change a battery that has a ten year lifespan. I am not allowed to replace it on my own as it would invalidate the five year long guarantee provided by the manufacturer (not the one by law). Why is this stuff not considered as well? Also curious whether the "specialized devices" exemptions are AND require…

> I am not allowed to replace it on my own as it would invalidate the five year long guarantee provided by the manufacturer. Why is this stuff not considered as well?

They're the ones paying for repairs, so it doesn't seem that unreasonable? That said: If you can prove the car is being maintained according to the manufacturer's specifications they can't require you to go to a brand dealership. That's just not necessarily easy to prove.

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