If your llm is so unpopular that you have to pay people to use it, you should probably just stop
xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
331–340 of 436 posts
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#332The situation just got murkier: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1927839555828220165
("@durov @grok No deal has been signed")
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#333Sad to say this as a formerly happy user of telegram: Boy that tracks. The shadiest AI model provider paying the shadiest chat app provider to integrate the racist slop machine into the scam and CSAM distribution machine. xAI engineers, I genuinely hope you get the bag soon and switch jobs back into a reputable AI lab.
Out of interest, why were you using telegram to begin with, considering that it's known for being a haven of shady content? Not just hate groups and paramilitaries, but also tons of pirated content? All that content browsed gets linked back to your phone number does it not?
It was a reasonable messaging app for a lot of folks in ~2013-2016. The stickers support was excellent and it had a lot of excellent features, even though its psuedo-open source stance was always a little weird. I also ascribed some level of trust to Pavel Durov as ultimately being anti-authoritarian given his history with Putin and thought that was ... fine, I guess. Anyways, with the rise of crypto came a lot of other unsavory things where Telegram became the de facto comms platform for criminals. While criminals will use any medium, it's also a matter of critical mass to me.
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't underestimate how far they've fallen. Tesla is nowhere near the top in Europe anymore. VW sold three times as many EVs as Tesla, with BYD in second place. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-just-got-overtaken-euro...
This is wrong and I would encourage you to check your sources or look into the industry more before posting a blind yahoo article that was clearly written by AI. VW did not sell three times as many EVs as Tesla. https://www.carscoops.com/2025/04/vw-finally-beats-tesla-out... In many of the comparisons, they try to make it more dramatic than it really is by saying volkswagen as an entire brand sold X more than tesla.…
Definitely makes sense that if they are a market leader for an extended period of time they would expect to trade sideways; my question is whether or not Tesla is expected to come out stronger as a growth company in the upcoming quarters (i.e. their recent talks of doing robotaxi work; are investors seeing that as a serious growth angle?) or should Tesla begin investigating an income/dividend stock angle?
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#335The situation just got murkier: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1927839555828220165 ("@durov @grok No deal has been signed")
And Pavel Durov responded:
> True. Agreed in principle, but formalities are pending.
This is how I know I'm not cut out for business - because I just can't lie with total impunity. Like, how could you do a global, public announcement like this when there is no dry ink, and the other side obviously hasn't authorized you to announce, and feel literally zero shame ("formalities are pending", lol).
I feel like more and more one of the biggest requirements for success in business (not to mention politics) is just total shamelessness.
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#336My god, the level of negativity about absolutely everything is insane.
Negativity and hate.
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
[flagged]
I really don't get the sentiment of everything Russia. Russia has the GDP of a province of China. Russia does not have a thriving manufacturing sector. Russia has increasingly less influence or power over the world. Why would powerful people in the US succumb to to Russia's influence? That just does not make sense. If anything, maybe the Lenin-loving Stalin-admiring Marxists would love Russia, like half of the univer…
[deleted]
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#338The situation just got murkier: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1927839555828220165 ("@durov @grok No deal has been signed")
And Pavel Durov responded: > True. Agreed in principle, but formalities are pending. This is how I know I'm not cut out for business - because I just can't lie with total impunity. Like, how could you do a global, public announcement like this when there is no dry ink, and the other side obviously hasn't authorized you to announce, and feel literally zero shame ("formalities are pending", lol). I feel like more and m…
It's not a lie if you (choose to) believe it!
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#339Call me stupid, but I fundamentally do not grasp why xAI would pay Telegram for access to its users. $300M seems like a crazy amount of money to put into a chat app. I am genuinely curious about the business strategy behind the move bc that would be a market worth exploring - having something that the AI industry would pay for bc they are willing to spend a lot right now.
- Data to train on
- Being the first GenAI experience of users that then might associate this stuff with xAi branding.Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
"if it's free, then you are the product" applies here.
Yes, this is why I switched from free Linux to paid Windows. I don't want to be the product.
Linux makes you to work so hard to get it working sometimes that I can't imagine anyone would consider it free (half-joking)
edit: at least you can get it working, though