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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by qwertox »

lightbendover wrote: post #23
roenxi wrote: post #6

1) "It will reportedly be known as Project ‘Magi’ and is said to provide a far more personalized experience than the company’s current service." That is super creepy. Google knows a lot about you, and now it is using that knowledge to really put you in a filter bubble. Imagine this plus engagement metrics. 2) So much for that monopoly a lot of people thought Google had. Turns out they're still as exposed to market pr…

The last thing anyone should ever want from a search engine is different results from the next person over.

It really depends. If I want to search coding related stuff, I want this to be personalized as much as possible, with always having the option to extend the search for non-traditional topics.

Or when searching for places to go, it would be nice to get recommendations which consider that I love to ride bicycle.

Then there's DuckDuckGo on Firefox for legacy search if you're paranoid.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

zouhair wrote: post #299
cruano wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> its willingness to make up facts makes me leary I see you haven't met humans

Humans are actually quite reliable. Wikipedia is that trust manifested. Also a human liar knows they are lying, AI doesn't know it's saying something wrong.

That's why we call it hallucinating rather than lying. Confusing the two is conceptually unhygienic.

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Post by raverbashing »

KRAKRISMOTT wrote: post #269
bdavisx wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes them "wonderful engineers"? The vast majority are very smart, and obviously can code 'leet code like no tomorrow, but that doesn't make them wonderful. Remember when the person who created homebrew couldn't get a job at google. That person created software used by a lot of people. He saw something that "needed fixing" and he fixed it. He fixed it so well a bunch of other people started using his fix. That'…

Ignore the engineers for now, Google is chock full of product manager. What the hell have they been doing?

Did any innovative product, at its inception, come from a 'product manager'? (especially at google)

They have their place in the org, but I don't see much creativity from them.

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Post by philistine »

sho_hn wrote: post #257
eldaisfish wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To you and me, sure, there is value in a linux desktop. To the average user, linux is not in any state to be a useable, daily driver desktop. Where it works, it is the exception, not the norm. Taking linux and turning it into a business model can be done - see valve and the steam deck. Granted, that is gaming-only but it can be done. The #1 problem with the linux desktop is that there is no single linux desktop and t…

> To you and me, sure, there is value in a linux desktop. "You and me" is actually not a small or meaningless demographic. It includes my thousands of colleagues at Mercedes-Benz who use Linux desktops to do engineering work, and millions of other developers. It means a lot of scientists, for example at NASA and CERN. It means a lot of school students and government employees in educational and other municipal deploy…

In 2023, Linux on the desktop is merely death by a hundred papercuts instead of a thousand. Progress!

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

bachmeier wrote: post #212
simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

> Now that AI has upset the applecart, they can use Bing to choke off Google's airsupply. It's more like Google has to change from optimizing for next week's revenue numbers to optimizing for user experience. People have been saying for years that their search results are trash. That we haven't seen a response from Google may be an indicator that they aren't able to return useful search results.

'People have been saying for years that their search results are trash'.

Have they? I hear people say this on Hacker news but i've never heard it anywhere else, people seem to be using the internet just fine with Google as there main search engine, what is the alternative? Bing? It's still trash and Bing Chat is like a worse version of ChatGPT, I don't see it replacing Google currently.

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Post by endtime »

traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

> Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine?

I have a slightly different answer than most of the other replies, which is that Google just got too big. I worked there for 10 years (left a year ago for a smaller company) and the amount of inefficiency and waste due to having too many layers of middle management with no real visibility into what was going on was just astounding. Over that decade they paid me millions of dollars in total, while canceling whatever I was working on almost exactly every 18 months like clockwork. Typically due to management issues or corporate politics rather than for any real technical or business reason.

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Post by gremlinsinc »

browningstreet wrote: post #254
traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

Watched the 60 Minutes interview with Pichai last night. He’s really… unimpressive. He shouldn’t be doing MSM interviews if that’s the tenor of his performance. Google is supposed to be a technical firebrand and their cloud isn't dominant, and their AI product and market position got punk'd by Microsoft... and he's out there saying things like AI will be a bigger discovery than fire. Which calls into question: so why…

He comes off to me as someone in a funk, or stupor, or depression. Like he's out of touch, out of grasp with realities, and I think changes and things at google have probably hurt their culture quite a bit over the years. The best engineers in the world will churn out shit, if they aren't inspired to at least do exciting things sometimes, and I think Google's lost that thing that made them excite developers.

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Post by raldi »

lightbendover wrote: post #23
roenxi wrote: post #6

1) "It will reportedly be known as Project ‘Magi’ and is said to provide a far more personalized experience than the company’s current service." That is super creepy. Google knows a lot about you, and now it is using that knowledge to really put you in a filter bubble. Imagine this plus engagement metrics. 2) So much for that monopoly a lot of people thought Google had. Turns out they're still as exposed to market pr…

The last thing anyone should ever want from a search engine is different results from the next person over.

What do you think an American tourist overseas wants when they ask for [football scores]?

Do you think an ergonomics engineer logged in from the office and a musician in their studio might want different things when they search for [keyboard reviews]?

How about a 16-year-old male native Texan versus a 62-year-old female immigrant with a degree in fine arts who search for [nearby movies]?

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