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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by xnx »

rmbyrro wrote: post #176
hrunt wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also on a total sidenote, if you told me 5 years ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google I would have a laughed. If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. That's how much impact the ChatGPT integration had for Bing -- overnight.

I was not at all surprised, to be honest. ChatGPT took over about 90-95% of my what I would previously resort to Google. Since Microsoft was dealing cards at OpenAI, it was just a matter of time...

90-95% of your searches don't require information more recent than September 2021?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by simantel »

traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

Google Cloud revenue (which includes Workspace revenue) was $26B in 2022. That's only 10% of Google's total revenue, but to put it in perspective, all of Salesforce did $31B.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by tpmx »

birdyrooster wrote: post #165
hrunt wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also on a total sidenote, if you told me 5 years ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google I would have a laughed. If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. That's how much impact the ChatGPT integration had for Bing -- overnight.

I’ve used bing with gpt and it’s way worse than ChatGPT idk what you mean. I’d just as well use Google tbh. It wasn’t impressive.

I just can't get over the ugly visual design and haphazard UX on bing.com.

For instance: That Microsoft Rewards counter? Ugh.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by throw84249948 »

dathinab wrote: post #107

Soon we have a Microsoft more power full then ever but less controlled and constrained by anti monopoly regulation then ever. - after google search degraded for a while bing is competive - MS has much influence and stack in (not really open) OpenAI - MS has with LinkedLn a relevant social network, sure it's work focused but increasingly used for non work usecases - MS controls 2 of the 6 relevant gaming platforms (XB…

- MS complies with Chinese laws so they operate in China. That's a huge population Google is missing out on. If other countries start to enact similar laws, MS would eagerly comply to get into that market.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by tomjen3 »

balls187 wrote: post #82
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

I’d bet Microsoft will gladly match all of Google’s offers here.

If Samsung is smart, then they ensure that their users gets access to new Bing as default, which means that even if people switch back (read get their nerdy friends to switch them back) they will find that Google is missing quite a lot.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by htrp »

xnx wrote: post #261
rmbyrro wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was not at all surprised, to be honest. ChatGPT took over about 90-95% of my what I would previously resort to Google. Since Microsoft was dealing cards at OpenAI, it was just a matter of time...

90-95% of your searches don't require information more recent than September 2021?

bing actually uses search results as part of the llm context window.

it solves a lot for hallicination and current event problems you have in chatgpt

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by ur-whale »

browningstreet wrote: post #254
traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

Watched the 60 Minutes interview with Pichai last night. He’s really… unimpressive. He shouldn’t be doing MSM interviews if that’s the tenor of his performance. Google is supposed to be a technical firebrand and their cloud isn't dominant, and their AI product and market position got punk'd by Microsoft... and he's out there saying things like AI will be a bigger discovery than fire. Which calls into question: so why…

> He’s really… unimpressive.

That's putting it mildly

> He shouldn’t be doing interviews

He should not be running Google at all, period.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by KRAKRISMOTT »

bdavisx wrote: post #218
traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

What makes them "wonderful engineers"? The vast majority are very smart, and obviously can code 'leet code like no tomorrow, but that doesn't make them wonderful. Remember when the person who created homebrew couldn't get a job at google. That person created software used by a lot of people. He saw something that "needed fixing" and he fixed it. He fixed it so well a bunch of other people started using his fix. That'…

Ignore the engineers for now, Google is chock full of product manager. What the hell have they been doing?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by jmyeet »

traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

It's incredibly rare for any company to produce one golden goose. It's even rarer for them to produce more than one. Google is the norm here.

Chrome and Gmail are homegrown but Maps, Youtube, Docs/Drive, the display ad business (ie DoubleClick) and Android are all acquisitions.

Think of it this way: if your ad business generates $100B/year, how do you justify spending billions on something that will generate a farction of that, particularly to start? How does that effort ever compete for resources internally?

And if you are successful it reaches a point where your two efforts can become competing interests.

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