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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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> Russians refer to Ukraine as a territory in their language by using preposition "на" instead of "в". They don't respect sovereignty of Ukraine in their language. This is an old and complicated argument. The Russians have their language. In that language, for several centuries, probably as long as the word Ukraine existed in it, it was governed by the preposition "на". There are other Russian toponyms that are gover…

This is plainly not true. As a Polish native speaker I could observe the same old custom of relating to Ukraine/Belarus/Lithuania as a territory by using similar preposition "na" in Polish. And yes, we also use "na" for islands (Cuba, Manhattan) but it's still deprecating. What happened when your country invaded Ukraine was that practically from Day 1, everyone in Poland switched to "w Ukrainie" - a preposition used…

> This is plainly not true.

Which part isn't true?

There's an online corpus of the Russian language [0], whose entries of usage of the word Urkaine date back to the 17th century — you can easily see which preposition that word took throughout centuries. If you search through books on Russian grammar on Google Books, you will find examples specifically prescribing the preposition "на" throughout the 20th century.

The whole controversy about the preposition started somewhere around the year 2000, and quickly became political. For a disinterested Russian, who is not into politics, "на" would be a natural preposition to use with this word simply because he would have encountered it in classical literature, in the movies, or on TV. It was semantically charged only for those who were aware of the debate. The response from the linguists used to be that if Ukraine wants to use the preposition "в", it is free to do so for the Russian language spoken on its territory; but that it should have no say on how a language is used in another country.

I understand that in the recent years the usage of this preposition has become a political shibboleth; but I am not speaking about it from a political angle. My points are that the usage of this preposition, with this word, in Russian, is 1) historical, and 2) to those who aren't making a political statement, semantically neutral (i.e. it does not, in itself, connote derision, imperial ambitions, or anything of the kind). I have not made any claims about the Polish language (other than that, to my knowledge, it doesn't have articles).

[0] - https://ruscorpora.ru/

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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The caveat is, you need to ask for permission from the government first, pay money and get processed. That’s the case for every country. Even North Koreans can work and live anywhere in the world if you choose to dismiss the difficulties.

Yes, everyone knows that which is why it's so ridiculous that you claimed otherwise. You shouldn't lie about the actual situation because you personally dislike Brexit, old men or both (not sure which). It's dishonorable.

Actual situation is that Brits no longer can work in EU and vice versa. It's kind of obvious that once you acquire a work visa, you can.

It's like Windows games won't run on Mac unless you install specialised software that might run some Windows games in varying degrees of playability.

I guess you can't cater to everyones intelligence all the time, some people don't know about work visas and they can feel deceived when look at the statistics clearly showing that some people indeed can work in countries that someone declared not possible to work. My apologies.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Yes, everyone knows that which is why it's so ridiculous that you claimed otherwise. You shouldn't lie about the actual situation because you personally dislike Brexit, old men or both (not sure which). It's dishonorable.

Actual situation is that Brits no longer can work in EU and vice versa. It's kind of obvious that once you acquire a work visa, you can. It's like Windows games won't run on Mac unless you install specialised software that might run some Windows games in varying degrees of playability. I guess you can't cater to everyones intelligence all the time, some people don't know about work visas and they can feel deceived wh…

This is not really true. I work for a European factory and I go to work in the UK all the time on a business visa.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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According to Shoigu (their minister of Defence) they'll use the conscripted men in order to secure the existing front-line, which is quite long. Couple that with the incoming referendums during which the regions that now Russia controls in Southern and Eastern Ukraine will vote for an annexation to Russia, which makes me doubtful that the Russian Army will try and make a push further North across the Dnieper or even…

Kyiv and Kharkiv I think it is more correct to use Ukrainian names for Ukrainian cities over Russian.

Kiev and Kharkov is what we use in Romanian (spelled in a slightly different manner, but pronounced the same), I think I can manage this. Were I to speak or write in Ukrainian (which is a language I don't know, for the time being) I would have used the Ukrainian spelling.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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post #332

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Actual situation is that Brits no longer can work in EU and vice versa. It's kind of obvious that once you acquire a work visa, you can. It's like Windows games won't run on Mac unless you install specialised software that might run some Windows games in varying degrees of playability. I guess you can't cater to everyones intelligence all the time, some people don't know about work visas and they can feel deceived wh…

This is not really true. I work for a European factory and I go to work in the UK all the time on a business visa.

Visa types and requirements and procedures change by country. It's kind of obvious isn't it? Is it really too complicated as a concept that we need to talk about it?

The gist is, EU/UK no longer can work freely as they and their employers sees fit and government permission which is usually called work visa but can have different names is required. Some people qualify and obtain those, others don't qualify or don't bother. Usually comes with complications at retirement and long term life options and travel complications.

I'm confused why this has become a problem of speech precision. Even if the language is prices and people don't melt down, the reality on the ground often doesn't match the paper trail. Lots of people work without visa(arrive illegally?) or they arrive on one kind of visa but do stuff that require another kind of visa. Although these people work in UK/EU, it doesn't mean that they can work in the UK/EU.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Using nukes would be unlikely to go well for Russia. The Ukrainian troops are pretty spread out so setting off a nuke would only take out a few and in response the west would probably do bad stuff to Russia, quite likely US non nuclear air strikes which could wipe out much of the Russian forces.

Probably. But they're still enough to dramatically change the state of the war. I think it's a losing gamble as well and it will not be done.

It's so very a losing gamble. USA (and NATO by association) must have very good reasons to push the Russian dictator into a corner. I'd sure like to know what's the plan if Putin fires a nuclear missile into international waters, into Ukraine, or he decides to fire them all because he has nothing to lose anymore.

Fortunately, it seems like launching nuclear attacks is frowned upon by the armies of every member of the nuclear club, it's not as easy as pushing a red button.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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A few months ago analysts were warning of impending collapse of Russia's troops due to poor supplies and poor morale. Russian cheerleaders on HN were doubting it as Western propaganda saying it had been declared for months and not materialized. Well it materialized in the collapse of the Kharkiv front over a week so there's that. In all, I don't think the mobilization is likely to matter. The Russian problem is bad s…

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A 50 minute YouTube video of the same talking head is almost always a sign of misinformation. I would understand 10 minutes if they need to monetize it, but ideally, my propaganda should come in short videos of Russian advocates dancing to sick tunes.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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I'd guess that this will end much sooner than it will come to pure population numbers on RUS/UA side of things. But the prospect of full blown WW3 is now much more real than it was a month ago, that's for sure.

World war? Between what systems of alliance? Does China want to stand with Russia? Esp. if nukes fly as Russia has threatened, what nation will ally themselves with Russia in a full-scale global conflict?

What if China decides to make a move against Taiwan?

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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racist? Are you seriously implying that the Allies were racist for them doing the same to Germany to cure it from Nazism? >Reading this would have been funnier had it not been for the behaviour we’ve seen this year. until this year i've never wrote nor even thought this way. Until Feb 24 i still believed in my Old Country having a chance at playing great positive role in the world - i still thought that the harsh aut…

I see a lot of hate being thrown on Russian civilians in these forums. That’s clearly racist. And the allies (ie the US) never cared about fascists. They had business relations with each other for quite some time. The denazification wasn’t a moral duty. But a smart thing to do, to defang your enemy when they were defeated. Americans thought they were de-baathifying Iraq. When that blew up in their face, they unanimou…

>I see a lot of hate being thrown on Russian civilians in these forums. That’s clearly racist.

The hate isn't on Russians as the carriers of Russian ethnicity. Such hate would be racist, i agree. The hate you see is on the carriers of Russian Nazism who openly espouses and propagandizes it. For example, many prominent targets of such a hate like those especially rabid Rashists propagandists on Russian TV are visibly not of Russian ethnicity. As another example - i'm a Russian and hasn't experienced any such hate even from Ukrainians i met here in teh last few months. I'm pretty sure though that if i were a Rashist and put the Russian Nazism Z-swastika on my car i'd become a target of such hate without people even bothering to check whether i'm of Russian, Jewish or Chinese ethnicity.

It is a trick that Russian propaganda actively using now - present legitimate hate against Russian Nazism as a racist hate against Russians. Don't fall for it :)

>Europeans have a cultural tendency to create moralistic almost religious justification for war and conquest. Whether it is the white man’s burden, or now denazification.

The main point of denazification isn't moralistic. It is a matter of survival. A nazism is "more" than just a fascism. The key foundation of nazist state is the "master-race/nation" ideology, and as a result one of the key characteristic of nazism is Lebensraum - "living space" for the "master-race/nation". While a plain fascist state, like Franco's Spain, can peacefully co-exist with its neighbors, it isn't an option in case of a nazist state like Germany back then or Russia today. Without denazification of Russia there is going to be no peace in the region, and with Russia being nuclear state it means that without denazification Russian presents a real nuclear threat to the world.

>The rest of the world has no reason to sympathise with actions that might trigger a nuclear war in Europe.

Of course nobody in the world is expected to sympathize with the Russian actions, and in particular with their intentional dragging of the world toward nuclear war. To avoid nuclear war Russia has to be stopped and the force is the only option for now.

> I used to think that European leaders understand that and it’s OK for Ukrainians to idly dream of wrecking great vengeance on Russia.

As far as i see, Ukrainians dream not about vengeance, they dream about Russia leaving them alone, something like having a kilometer high wall on the border with Russia. Unfortunately, without demilitarization, denuclearization and denazification of Russia the peace in the region isn't possible. In particular Russia wouldn't leave Ukrainians alone, and thus Ukrainians and the rest of the world have actually no choice wrt. what to do with Russia.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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>> too expensive due to the cost and the sanctions and they couldn't afford to do it. Which IS what is happening in Ukraine too. How so? Putin is swimming in money Europeans send him. Sanctions are a joke.

Russia enjoyed a brief surplus with high gas prices. It has collapsed and the government is now running a towards a hefty deficit. About 90% gone in just two months. Government spending is being cut down by 10% next year, while a greater share is allocated to the military, meaning actual useful domestic spending is going to go down even more. The sanctions are having a strong effect. The military spending is cushione…

It's worse than that. They have limited storage and if they can't sell much of the oil, they have to turn the wells off. Problem there is that the oil will freeze in the winter, the pipes crack, and then it takes a lot of work and expense to turn it back on.

Or so I have heard -- not posing as an expert on oil fields.

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