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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by jollybean »

sitkack wrote: post #292
mda wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry but this is total bs, nobody cornered Russia.

That is a flippant and simplistic view of the situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lQ-E-7b-Vw The EU put stipulations on Ukraine, that they could only have free trade status with the EU or Russia but not both. This pulled UA westward at the detriment of Russia. Ukraine had a lower performing, cheaper economy than Russia, free trade status with the EU means that it could have setup factories for rich EU compani…

"The EU put stipulations on Ukraine, that they could only have free trade status with the EU or Russia but not both. This pulled UA westward at the detriment of Russia."

? They said the same thing to the UK, and they say the same thing to every country. Do you understand what trade harmonization means ? You can't be part of multiple trade harmonization zones.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by jollybean »

fosk wrote: post #325
trasz wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually agree about the legitimate fears, but this doesn't justify invading anyone. And the situation in Ukraine was manufactured by Russia on purpose. It's true that USA has done some terrible things in the past. And it's too bad the perpetrators never got punished. But it doesn't mean we should tolerate this behaviour elsewhere.

Just want to clarify that I am personally against invading any country. But Russia did indeed invade this country, so I am brainstorming as to what their equation may be. Russia is after all a rational actor on the world stage, and they must have thought the benefits are stronger than the cons.

The problem with your line of thinking is that you are framing their 'rationality' as though they are a Western country.

It is 'rational' in Russian to invade a former colony, because they should be dominated by Russia. 75% of the elite are good with that, 50% of the population and the rest will be mostly indifferent in the end.

Russia obviously does not want NATO expansion but they are not afraid of it, and NATO 'on their borders' is not an existential concern.

Much like Putin set the 'red lines' for intervention and is destroying a nation saying 'others cannot be involved but we can' - his propaganda has you in the same 'mental bubble' - thinking about 'NATO' while he does the unthinkable.

Russia also has no interest in telling the truth - they lie, lie, lie. Their diplomacy is entire a function of leverage.

Your taking the intellectual posture of an abused person, listening to the excuses of 'why he had to abuse you' etc..

Again - if you want to understand, just read Putin's own words [1].

He does not view Ukraine as a 'place'. He views Ukraine as basically part of 'greater russia' and that 'Ukraine' is not real.

Also, read McFaul's thesis about NATO and Russia.

[1] http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

[2] https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/what-putin-fears...

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by jollybean »

avianlyric wrote: post #126
fosk wrote: post #35

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This war has proven that as long as national interests are strong enough, those economical ties most likely won't last..which is a scary precedent for Europe in general.

I think Russia is the wrong place to look for what European countries will and won’t do. On the whole the EU project, and the approach of tight economic ties across the continent has been a huge success. Until Ukraine there hasn’t been a war in Europe for 75 years. Before the EU and the drive to economic integration, Europe had been in a state of almost perpetual war between the different states. Even today the econo…

This is propaganda.

"Before we had war, but now we don't, must be EU"

And your own evidence: "Nobody is worried about the U.K. declaring war on France"

.... contradicts your point - the UK was not part of the EEC/EU for most of it's existence, so did the EU/EEC 'stop wars'?

Seems like 'UK and France' learned to get along without 'deep economic integration'.

And Switzerland? They've never been to war - and they have the least amount of 'economic integration.

Neither Finland.

South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Canada, US, Mexico have not fought wars against each other either.

"But just because the approach isn’t 100% effective, doesn’t mean it’s worthless."

More likely the 'approach' is not hugely relevant.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by trasz »

jollybean wrote: post #332
fosk wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just want to clarify that I am personally against invading any country. But Russia did indeed invade this country, so I am brainstorming as to what their equation may be. Russia is after all a rational actor on the world stage, and they must have thought the benefits are stronger than the cons.

The problem with your line of thinking is that you are framing their 'rationality' as though they are a Western country. It is 'rational' in Russian to invade a former colony, because they should be dominated by Russia. 75% of the elite are good with that, 50% of the population and the rest will be mostly indifferent in the end. Russia obviously does not want NATO expansion but they are not afraid of it, and NATO 'on…

To me reading this guy was immensely useful for understanding Russian way of thought: https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1498377757536968711 - starting with demographic, https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1504585616834457619.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by nogenhat »

the-lazy-guy wrote: post #212
nogenhat wrote: post #188

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1. I'm not part of board and I have no way to find you examples like that. Veto is exactly form of control, UN is under 'veto' control of Russia, and that's exactly the reason UN is currently can't do anything against Russian war crimes. 2. You may read it differently, only if you are kind of very biased towards 'beautiful' Yandex, cause even in official statement it was written that's due to Russian politics system…

1. Fair point. I did think about that later. Anyway, the only veto power the "golden share" has, is about transfer of ownership. 2. You are talking abut PIF board. I am talking about Yandex board. 2 of 12 Yandex board members are appointed by PIF. 3. Are you located in Russia or know people or organizations located in Russia who openly stated their anti-war statement while still being in the Country? I personally kno…

https://meduza.io/feature/2022/05/05/my-zamuchilis-borotsya

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by riffraff »

xiphias2 wrote: post #95
riffraff wrote: post #32

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it's worth noting that the whole EU starting from the earlier european communities was built on such an idea that tighter and tighter integration would make war unlikely (and in some cases, unthinkable). While this didn't work out for the Russian relationship, it wasn't a totally stupid plan.

While this is true for the communities (people) themselves, a lot of us in Hungary who love EU learned languages and moved west, and practically lost our right to vote because of how the voting system is designed, even though we are still Hungarians officially. This allowed Orban to get authoritian power that is now undefeatable.

I meant the institutions named "European Community Something": ECSC (coal and steal), Euratom, European Economic Community.

Those preceded the EU, but were already intended to end up in tighter and tighter integration.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by mda »

blub wrote: post #282
mda wrote: post #279

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Russian citizens are funding the war machine by keeping Putin in control. Edit: changed unnecessary wording

Funding means giving financial support. You’re referring to political support. Different thing. And for better or worse he is the president elect (as much as that may be worth in Russia) and is a very powerful person. As an aside, I wonder how many coups were proponents of such measures already involved in. Every hobby revolutionary has a plan until they get shot in the face.

Eeh potato patato, political support enables financial support.

As an aside, that Tyson remark is overused I think.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ineedasername »

oneoff786 wrote: post #323
ineedasername wrote: post #313

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They have plenty of artillery too, so they can gradually turn cities to rubble. But they simply don't have then power to occupy much territory with any real degree of control, except maybe in the east.

It doesn’t seem like it. Their artillery is old and can’t aim well. Their intel sucks. Their supplies suck. It seems very unlikely that they could launch another front against Finland and achieve anything, even shelling a city.

Yes, I agree on Finland, they just don't seem to have the resources or logistics to fight on two fronts like that. My comment was more with respect to Ukraine. You don't need pinpoint accuracy-- or much accuracy at all-- to gradually demolish the city. The ability hit the desired quadrant may suffice.

As Ukrainians push more resources towards the east Russia's problem might be that such artillery isn't quite mobile, there's no run-and-gun capability there, while weapons capable of taking them out are man-portable.

Despite that, I don't see a happy ending for the Ukrainians here. As much as Russia has already lost, they can't accept defeat in this without the power structure suffering what might be a deadly blow.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by freeflight »

trasz wrote: post #295
fosk wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia has no real threat from NATO - there is 0% chance of NATO aggression towards Russia, and they know it. I actually think that this is wrong. And that is the key to understand Russia’s behavior. Russia seems to have (legitimate I would say, given the past) fears that it will be attacked eventually like it happened in the past and needs to be - as a result of that - heavily defended.

I actually agree about the legitimate fears, but this doesn't justify invading anyone. And the situation in Ukraine was manufactured by Russia on purpose. It's true that USA has done some terrible things in the past. And it's too bad the perpetrators never got punished. But it doesn't mean we should tolerate this behaviour elsewhere.

> And the situation in Ukraine was manufactured by Russia on purpose.

That makes no sense at all [0], it wasn't Russian politicians that went to Euromaidan to rile the people there up how more negotiations would be "Not enough" [1], that were pretty much Western, and particularly US politicians and "their people" in Ukraine, like Arseniy Yatsenyuk [2].

Who Victoria Nuland called "our man in Ukraine" when discussing how to grandfather in his new Ukrainian government at the UN [3]

Even Germany threw in their bid for new PM of Ukraine, with a German national [4], thus Klitschko didn't even qualify for that position without an Ukrainian citizenship.

I guess they could have done it like with Natalie Jaresko, an American banker who ended up becoming the new Ukrainian minister of finance, got her Ukrainian citizenship the same day she was sworn in as minister [5].

This whole situation also lead to the Russian military having massive supply issues, as East Ukraine used to be rather integral manufacturing hub for Russian military arms [6]. Why would Russia want to "manufacture" losing all of that?

> It's true that USA has done some terrible things in the past. And it's too bad the perpetrators never got punished. But it doesn't mean we should tolerate this behaviour elsewhere.

The US still is doing these things, US troops still illegally occupy territories in places like Cuba and Syria. US drones and Special forces still kill people in at least half a dozen countries [7], with the help of countries that allegedly condone wars of aggression [8], Gitmo is still open and nobody knows how many more like it secretly exist.

In that context I find it fascinating how US war crimes are always declared like this thing from a far flung past that simply doesn't matter anymore, to then turn around and demand how the whole world should punish Russia for war crimes like its the next Nazi Germany.

Which I totally could get behind, if this was the universal reaction to such acts of aggression, but it absolutely is not. That's only the reaction when established "rogue nations" aka the alleged "bad guys" engage in such aggression, thus it can be exploited to support US foreign policy narratives.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahn...

[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20140302111543/http://openukrain...

[3] https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k

[4] https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/id_66915060/ukra...

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Jaresko#Citizenship

[6] https://web.archive.org/web/20150329000809/http://www.soufan...

[7] https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-o...

[8] https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/08/germany-could-have-deli...

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by can16358p »

medo-bear wrote: post #145
can16358p wrote: post #130

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Hence I asked whether I was missing something.

yeah be careful if you need to write some financial code :)

Ironically I write solidity, good that we don't use decimal separators or thousands at all and just simply type numbers as big integers.
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