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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by t_mann »

jmnicolas wrote: post #287
t_mann wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia hasn't even begun retaliating for Finland's NATO application yet, which they announced they would (potentially even with 'military consequences', as per a Kremlin spokesperson). Besides, the EU has been ramping up sanctions against Russia pretty much continuously since the start of the war, so we're definitely not at peak sanctions yet (unless Russian aggression suddenly ceases).

Russia's retaliations will be on the order of pointing nukes at Finland and deploying troops in key locations near its borders.

And all of those are likely to trigger further sanctions.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by chmod775 »

bombcar wrote: post #185
pjc50 wrote: post #170

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If we take an estimate of 20GW from https://ccaf.io/cbeci/index (huge variance!), and multiply that up, we can estimate that bitcoin is consuming the equivalent of six million liters of diesel every hour. (It's not going to be diesel, it's mostly a mix of coal and natgas depending on where it happens, but that gives you an idea of the size)

The Emma Mærsk is powered by a Wärtsilä-Sulzer 14RTFLEX96-C engine, the world's largest single diesel unit, weighing 2,300 tonnes and capable of 81 MW (109,000 hp) when burning 14,000 litres (3,600 US gal) of heavy fuel oil per hour. So bitcoin is equivalent to 425 Emma Mærsks going full bore continually. That'd be 6.3 million TEU - which interesting means that for those big ships, a liter of fuel moves one TEU for o…

So even if it had 150,000 humans on board, the humans might consume less liquids than the engine...

Those humans would also only use 1/6th as much energy (when assuming around 9.2m Calorie per liter of diesel). So the energy used by that engine could also "run" a million humans. Whatever that ship is carrying, it might be more energy efficient to let people carry it...

Burning through four liters of diesel a second/a bathtub a minute is insane.

I'm a bit tired, but I hope I got that math about right.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ineedasername »

oneoff786 wrote: post #283
t_mann wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia hasn't even begun retaliating for Finland's NATO application yet, which they announced they would (potentially even with 'military consequences', as per a Kremlin spokesperson). Besides, the EU has been ramping up sanctions against Russia pretty much continuously since the start of the war, so we're definitely not at peak sanctions yet (unless Russian aggression suddenly ceases).

Russia has nuclear weapons, but seemingly nothing else sitting around to use. They’re over extended in Ukraine already.

They have plenty of artillery too, so they can gradually turn cities to rubble. But they simply don't have then power to occupy much territory with any real degree of control, except maybe in the east.

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Post by blub »

infamia wrote: post #310
blub wrote: post #276

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Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan lost a war and they were punished by the victors. Makes sense and is a well established pattern. Russia is in a war with Ukraine and it’s getting punished by… the US. Well, technically US allies are also involved but with different degrees of enthusiasm. This one seems much more arbitrary. The idea that the US is getting involved because of the war crimes doesn’t hold water either, bec…

> The more likely explanation is that the US wants to hurt Russia and NATO & co are tagging along. Europe was out in front of everyone issuing sanctions before the US was able to come up with anything. All of Europe was singing the same tune of it's own accord. Watch Prime Minister's Questions (UK) and you'll see all the houses are united in a way I've never seen before. They're all trying to one up each another in p…

Sanctioning and sending weapons has become a (dangerous) game of one-upmanship. But before it reached this point, Europe was very much split on both because it can’t stand up to Russia militarily and was also cautious about hurting Russia economically because that implied hurting itself. Many European countries also had and have connections to Russia.

The US was preparing sanctions around the use of the USD and SWIFT and around Nordstream 2 (despite what Germany might have wanted) in December 2021. And it’s the US which have set a goal beyond helping Ukraine of “weakening Russia”. I.e. more sanctions, more weapons, less possibility for negotiation.

The sanctions game certainly has a life of its own now, especially as Russia’s military stumbled, but I don’t believe it would have reached this intensity without motivation from the US. And who knows what diplomacy could have achieved if given a chance instead of continuous escalation.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by blub »

trasz wrote: post #308
blub wrote: post #304

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First of all, the destruction of property, the deaths and the displacement of millions of people that Ukraine’s suffering is certainly not winning. They’re also not punishing Russia, as they lack the capability of doing so. They’re fighting for survival. The US is contrary to what you’ve said essential to this conflict. Without the US, Ukraine would already have a new pro-Russia president and the EU would have folded…

Russian losses are several times higher, even without taking into account the money and property confiscated as part of sanctions. And the difference will only grow: Ukraine can be rebuilt, especially with all that Russian money. Russia won’t, simply because there is no reason for anyone to allow for this to happen: the only useful thing Russia got to offer is resources, and they can be obtained much cheaper if Russi…

Ukraine will take decades to recover unless they receive massive economical aid from the EU or US. Right now they say they will provide that help, but at least in the case of the EU I don’t see how that’s possible given the big economical and social problems inside the bloc. And in the US it’s not clear how the next elections will turn out and what kind of policies will be implemented.

Anyway your key point was that they’re the victors when they’re clearly not. Even if Russia completely pulled out tomorrow they’d have suffered incredible losses.

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Post by teddyh »

trasz wrote: post #309
teddyh wrote: post #297

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> This isn't one of those weird conflicts: this time there's clearly the bad side and the good side But people always say that. Every single time.

But they aren’t always wrong. Sometimes it really is (eventually) obvious who is the bad guys: like with WW2, or the current Russian invasion.

Key word there is eventually. But during a war, all information should be considered suspect and probable propaganda.

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Post by panqueque »

leadingthenet wrote: post #298
mrtranscendence wrote: post #289

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> There’s enough “Poles and Hungarians bad” narratives going around without us having to add fuel to the fire. I mean, you did vote in Orbán, a demonstrably terrible human being, for many years running. It’s hardly a better look for the citizens of Hungary if that wasn’t due to disenfranchisement.

Who says I voted Orbán? I'm pretty sure I never mentioned such a thing. The level of discourse some of you engage in is pathetic, this is honestly /r/politics levels of gaslighting.

Assuming you're aware of the plural "you", you (singular) is doing the gaslighting here.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by trasz »

blub wrote: post #315
trasz wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russian losses are several times higher, even without taking into account the money and property confiscated as part of sanctions. And the difference will only grow: Ukraine can be rebuilt, especially with all that Russian money. Russia won’t, simply because there is no reason for anyone to allow for this to happen: the only useful thing Russia got to offer is resources, and they can be obtained much cheaper if Russi…

Ukraine will take decades to recover unless they receive massive economical aid from the EU or US. Right now they say they will provide that help, but at least in the case of the EU I don’t see how that’s possible given the big economical and social problems inside the bloc. And in the US it’s not clear how the next elections will turn out and what kind of policies will be implemented. Anyway your key point was that…

Russian frozen reserves were what, 200 billion? Passing it to Ukraine shouldn’t strain EU or US budgets.

As for losses - in war the victor always suffers some losses. The point is: Ukraine will survive this, Russia probably won’t.

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Post by trasz »

teddyh wrote: post #316
trasz wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they aren’t always wrong. Sometimes it really is (eventually) obvious who is the bad guys: like with WW2, or the current Russian invasion.

Key word there is eventually . But during a war, all information should be considered suspect and probable propaganda.

And they are. We already know who committed the genocide in Bucha and Mariupol - it’s not just Ukrainian propaganda.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by leadingthenet »

panqueque wrote: post #317
leadingthenet wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says I voted Orbán? I'm pretty sure I never mentioned such a thing. The level of discourse some of you engage in is pathetic, this is honestly /r/politics levels of gaslighting.

Assuming you're aware of the plural "you", you (singular) is doing the gaslighting here.

You're right, I completely misread that comment. My bad.
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