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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by t_mann »

oneoff786 wrote: post #215
anonymfus wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the only matter here related to the war could be that electricity sales companies might be reluctant to sell a contract to them, due to PR reasons. But I bet one of them will, and they will get their power back Not necessary, as actual engineers and electricians working for such companies could also refuse to make that connection. Also it's likely that sanctions will be more severe soon as Russian troops wi…

What crimes are going to move the needle further at this point

Russia hasn't even begun retaliating for Finland's NATO application yet, which they announced they would (potentially even with 'military consequences', as per a Kremlin spokesperson). Besides, the EU has been ramping up sanctions against Russia pretty much continuously since the start of the war, so we're definitely not at peak sanctions yet (unless Russian aggression suddenly ceases).

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by blub »

mda wrote: post #279
blub wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russian citizens aren’t funding the war machine. The EU, China, India, etc are. But sanctioning them is admittedly actually hard :-)

Russian citizens are funding the war machine by keeping Putin in control. Edit: changed unnecessary wording

Funding means giving financial support. You’re referring to political support. Different thing.

And for better or worse he is the president elect (as much as that may be worth in Russia) and is a very powerful person.

As an aside, I wonder how many coups were proponents of such measures already involved in. Every hobby revolutionary has a plan until they get shot in the face.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by oneoff786 »

t_mann wrote: post #281
oneoff786 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What crimes are going to move the needle further at this point

Russia hasn't even begun retaliating for Finland's NATO application yet, which they announced they would (potentially even with 'military consequences', as per a Kremlin spokesperson). Besides, the EU has been ramping up sanctions against Russia pretty much continuously since the start of the war, so we're definitely not at peak sanctions yet (unless Russian aggression suddenly ceases).

Russia has nuclear weapons, but seemingly nothing else sitting around to use. They’re over extended in Ukraine already.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ex3ndr »

nicce wrote: post #17

Article is misleading. Yandex is not part of the sanctions yet. Electricity was cut simply because they failed to make a new contract. Finnish source: https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000008786328.html

Wonder why since it is completely controlled by pu

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

watwut wrote: post #173
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #158

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America's influence in Europe is much stronger than Russia's. Besides NATO, the US has set up all kinds of NGOs that are very influential, such as the Atlantic Council and the German Marshall Fund. When that soft power doesn't work, the US is not afraid to use sanctions to coerce European countries: see US sanctions against Germany over Nordstream II, or unilateral US sanctions that prevent European companies from do…

It would be great if US or someone managed to prevent Nordstream II back then. Eventually they did not. And still, US dont go into outrage threatening local admins when someone wants to rename the street (as happened with Russia). They dont engage in that much corruption of officials either. > Besides NATO NATO is not secretly running Europe. It is alliance European countries openly begged, pressured and asked to get…

I think everyone knows who the dominant country in NATO is. This organization alone gives the US vastly more influence in Europe than Russia wields.

> US dont go into outrage threatening local admins

You should read a bit about how ambassador Richard Grenell behaved himself in Germany. The day after he arrived, he demanded that all German companies doing business in Iran wind down their operations. And the thing is, everyone knew that that demand was backed up by real power, because the US can and does go after European companies that do business in Iran. Grenell seemed to think he was some sort of proconsul, rather than an ambassador to a friendly nation.

Russia's influence consists mainly of its gas and oil deliveries, and the fact that various European companies have invested in Russia. It has comparatively little soft power. Outside of Hungary, Serbia and a few other small European countries, the media, politics and public opinion are fairly strongly anti-Russian.

Just to give you a flavor of how much soft power the US has, the largest private news media empire in Germany, the Axel Springer group (they own the largest tabloid and one of the largest newspapers), was literally funded by the CIA during the Cold War, and still officially lists support for the United States as one of its guiding editorial principles. Meanwhile, Russia's attempts to build up pro-Russian media have gone nowhere. You can't even access RT in a lot of Europe: its YouTube channel is blocked, and DNS servers don't even return results when you query RT.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by thinkindie »

wongarsu wrote: post #144
thinkindie wrote: post #91

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also - any French or British imperialist intentions toward any territory in Europe are gone since Napoleon (and UK had none toward Europe). At the same time, Soviet Union, which just took over the zarist empire, only ended 30 years ago. You can totally see from Russian propaganda that they are still looking at re-instating Soviet Union/zar empire. I see this as pure soviet/zar/russian/nationalist revenge.

Napoleon died in 1821. For French ambitions on German territory alone there was the Rhine crisis of 1840 [1], the Franco-Prussian War of 1870 [2], followed by French Revanchism [3] over the loss of Alsace-Lorraine, which they regained in WWI with the Treaty of Versailles. In 1923 there was the Occupation of the Ruhr [4]. Then in the aftermath of WWII France tried to take the Saar Protectorate, but with the EU slowly…

We are talking about a couple of regions that historically have been through both ruling. Napoleon occupied or subjugated entire countries by installing puppet regimes.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by jmnicolas »

t_mann wrote: post #281
oneoff786 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What crimes are going to move the needle further at this point

Russia hasn't even begun retaliating for Finland's NATO application yet, which they announced they would (potentially even with 'military consequences', as per a Kremlin spokesperson). Besides, the EU has been ramping up sanctions against Russia pretty much continuously since the start of the war, so we're definitely not at peak sanctions yet (unless Russian aggression suddenly ceases).

Russia's retaliations will be on the order of pointing nukes at Finland and deploying troops in key locations near its borders.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by Symbiote »

danuker wrote: post #41
brtkdotse wrote: post #26

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A lot of housing in Sweden is heated using left over heat from the industry (“spillvärme”). The industries actually rely on this for cooling. From what I hear, it’s usually pretty expensive compared to ground/air-to-water heat pumps (1 SEK vs 0.4 SEK per kWh of heat)

> The industries actually rely on this for cooling. And what if the housing gets too hot? Does industry stop because of overheating during hot months? > it’s usually pretty expensive So why do people heat that way? Is it legislated into existence? Why? To reduce global warming?

> So why do people heat that way?

I'm not sure of the historical costs, but benefits are reducing dependencies on particular energy sources, reducing global warming, and heat pumps not being invented yet (long ago).

There is legislation along the lines of houses built here must be connected, just like they must also be connected to the sewage system.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by mrtranscendence »

leadingthenet wrote: post #184
xiphias2 wrote: post #174

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Good for you, but even Orban supporters accept that the voting system is biased, they just like it that way. As for me voting would have been too hard, so I donated money for the opposition to buy ads, but of course it was no match for the advertising budget Fidesz has at this point.

That may be, but now you’ve changed your argument from an obviously ridiculous claim such as “we practically lost our right to vote” to the vastly less fatalistic (and much more accurate) “the system advantages the incumbent”. That’s fine, and I agree it’s an issue, but maybe tone it down a bit for next time. I’m used to this tone from Hungarians both online and in real life, but I’d rather not allow such false impre…

> There’s enough “Poles and Hungarians bad” narratives going around without us having to add fuel to the fire.

I mean, you did vote in Orbán, a demonstrably terrible human being, for many years running. It’s hardly a better look for the citizens of Hungary if that wasn’t due to disenfranchisement.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by trasz »

fareesh wrote: post #235

Yandex is not sanctioned, and should not be - it has nothing to do with the war, and neither do its users. Yandex offers a decent email service for free, and you can use your own domain. I had set up one for a few non-profits who are trying to get up and running. They really have nothing to do with the war, so having an outcome where their day-to-day operations are inconvenienced is a really thoughtless turn of event…

Anything that hurts Russia is fair at this point. This isn't one of those weird conflicts: this time there's clearly the bad side and the good side; Russia is guilty invading and perpetrating genocide for ideological reasons, and the West is helping the victim defend itself. (And also solve the root of the problem in the long run, by making sure Russia won't be able to invade anyone else in forseeable future.)

Of course the West isn't without fault here: it made the mistake of ignoring previous cases of Russian aggression, but it appears it's being finally fixed now.

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