Didn’t think I would live to see a search engine be a causality of war.
Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
How should they have known? Russia attacked both Georgia and Ukraine before, and the West never reacted in any meaningful way.
Slight correction: the Russo-Georgian War began when Georgia tried to recapture South Ossetia, a de facto independent state that is de jure part of Georgia. During the Soviet era, South Ossetia was an autonomous oblast within the Georgian SSR. After Georgia declared independence from the USSR, South Ossetia declared independence from Georgia. They fought a war that ended in a stalemate, and Russia has essentially gua…
The West recognized South Ossetia as being part of Georgia, iirc. So then for the West the Russian attack on Georgia was an invasion. Whatever Russia’s “de facto” claim was.
Because today too, Russia claims that there is a “de facto” independent country in western Ukraine they are “helping”. Pretext for war, just as the South Ossetia pretext.
Import bit is: the West never reacted to Russian aggressions in any meaningful way.
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Russia and Europe spent a lot of time and invested a lot of faith to building commerce, in both Europe and Russia the prevailing idea was that the interdependency is a force for peace and stability and it seemed to be mostly working for a while. (Also Russia is also a very risky business environment, so hedging...) (Also^2 Yandex is not under sanctions, the current outage doesn't seem to be about sanctions according…
it's worth noting that the whole EU starting from the earlier european communities was built on such an idea that tighter and tighter integration would make war unlikely (and in some cases, unthinkable). While this didn't work out for the Russian relationship, it wasn't a totally stupid plan.
I wonder if that plan is actually backed up with evidence from history. Because there seems to be a ridiculous number of counter examples. And close connection seems to increase the possible range of casus beli compared to more distant countries.
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and practically lost our right to vote because of how the voting system is designed Yet, I voted (abroad) in the last elections just fine? You do have to register early nowadays, whereas it used to be trivial to cast a vote previously, but I'm genuinely unsure what you base a claim such as "we practically lost our right to vote" on. In addition, several democratic countries disallow voting for expatriates (e.g. Ire…
Good for you, but even Orban supporters accept that the voting system is biased, they just like it that way. As for me voting would have been too hard, so I donated money for the opposition to buy ads, but of course it was no match for the advertising budget Fidesz has at this point.
That may be, but now you’ve changed your argument from an obviously ridiculous claim such as “we practically lost our right to vote” to the vastly less fatalistic (and much more accurate) “the system advantages the incumbent”.
That’s fine, and I agree it’s an issue, but maybe tone it down a bit for next time. I’m used to this tone from Hungarians both online and in real life, but I’d rather not allow such false impressions to seep into the wider discourse.
There’s enough “Poles and Hungarians bad” narratives going around without us having to add fuel to the fire.
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#185RBC calculates that running a 40MW data center on diesel would require 12,000 liters of diesel fuel per hour Holy crap
If we take an estimate of 20GW from https://ccaf.io/cbeci/index (huge variance!), and multiply that up, we can estimate that bitcoin is consuming the equivalent of six million liters of diesel every hour. (It's not going to be diesel, it's mostly a mix of coal and natgas depending on where it happens, but that gives you an idea of the size)
The Emma Mærsk is powered by a Wärtsilä-Sulzer 14RTFLEX96-C engine, the world's largest single diesel unit, weighing 2,300 tonnes and capable of 81 MW (109,000 hp) when burning 14,000 litres (3,600 US gal) of heavy fuel oil per hour.
So bitcoin is equivalent to 425 Emma Mærsks going full bore continually.
That'd be 6.3 million TEU - which interesting means that for those big ships, a liter of fuel moves one TEU for one hour.
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not really comparable, is it? The US as a lot of leverage over Germany, France and most of the EU, so seeing them power off US datacenters would result in some serious sanctions and retaliation from the US that could hurt the EU. Whereas western EU countries have more leverage over Russian companies without fearing much retaliation. So it's not really the same scenario here.
> The US as a lot of leverage over Germany, France and most of the EU, Yes, that's exactly what I meant when talking about US's hegemonic power. > Whereas western EU countries have more leverage over Russian companies without fearing much retaliation. Some parts of the Russian political elites really believed (maybe they still do) that Europe's industrial heartland (or what's left of it, anyways) depended on cheap Ru…
I don't understand, why would there be a risk that Germany be allied with Russia in 10-15 years time? To get cheap energy? That doesn't make any sense.
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Checking that out: You have: 40 MWh You want: tonoil * 3.4393809 / 0.29075 You have: 1 tonoil You want: barreloil * 6.8419323 / 0.14615754 You have: 6.84 barrel You want: liter * 1087.4731 / 0.00091956298 So, roughly 1,100 litres of oil per 40 MWh(thermal). The generator is likely ~30% efficient at converting heat to eletricity, so bump that up to 3,700 litres/hour. Even allowing for other inefficiencies, 12,000 litr…
No need to complicate things with obscure units. You have: 40 MW/30% / (10722.2 W*hr/L) You want: L/hr 40 MW/30% / (10722.2 W*hr/L) = 12435.259 L/hr
GNU Units has builtins for some standard energy equivalent units, specifically "tonoil" and "barreloil". "litreoil" doesn't seem to be included by default (though it can be added via a local configuration file).
literoil = 1 barreloil * liter/barrel
The barreloil value is for crude, diesel may have a slightly higher net energy density. But we're good to 3 sig figs.
I could have bypassed the tonoil step and calculated thermal energy in barreloil directly though saving another conversion.
Otherwise I'd have to remember energy density/L of diesel fuel.
I've added the definitions for litre, pound, and kg oil and can now run:
$ units --terse '40 MWh/30%' literoil
12470.969
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
heh, ok lets see: 1. Golden stock which one gave veto on all decision was hold by Sberbank. 2. 2019 year, Russian gov takeover Yandex corporate structure: https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/18/11/2019/5dd263f59... basically Volozh gave up Yandex to government. 3. Current position where Yandex is choose to silently agree with war - best proof that the company controlled by small people from fsb :) And yes, be sil…
1. Do you have examples when the "golden share" rights were excercised? Or which company decisions were actually impacted by it? "veto right" != "control". Othrwise we could say that Russia controls UN security council. All that golden share can veto is the consolidation of ownership in one hands. 2. I read it differently. The screws are tightened and company will be under control of board if Volozh dies, 2 of 12 boa…
1. I'm not part of board and I have no way to find you examples like that.
Veto is exactly form of control, UN is under 'veto' control of Russia, and that's exactly the reason UN is currently can't do anything against Russian war crimes.
2. You may read it differently, only if you are kind of very biased towards 'beautiful' Yandex, cause even in official statement it was written that's due to Russian politics system :) plus - read Government statement before and after this board was appointment. - 2 of 12 government appointed? lets read:
The PIF will be governed by a board comprising 11 directors, including representatives from five leading Russian universities (Higher School of Economics, Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, Moscow State University, St Petersburg State University and the St Petersburg National Research University of Information Technologies, Mechanics and Optics) and three non-governmental institutions (the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs (RSPP), Moscow School of Management Skolkovo and the Endowment of Moscow School #57)
all above is government appointed and 'pro'-government.
3. Yes, that's what Tigran told as CEO. We have to care about 20k employees and all that bullshit when at the same time Yandex.ru page showed all news that 'everything is fine, there is no war, some special kind of operation against nazi' being one of the major player of Russian propaganda.
No, you can't be 'anti-war' and doing that, you can't be silent, and yes if 20k stopped to worry about have 0 ability to buy new iPhone and millions of people service disrupted may be we saw not 4k people on the streets of Moscow but 100k-200k and then we could talk with government.
So yes, exactly that behavior allowing corrupt and crazy government doing anything they want.
lets talk about 'small things' as you say: 1. Bullshit. Meduza, novaya, skr - they could do it. they could close it as you say but they choose not. They are currently sold Yandex news to VK group, but basically they are telling look we are showing not Yandex news, but VK-news on our main page - we have no power over there. Disgusting.
// It is quite clear that in the recent years Yandex was trying to migrate from Russia as soon as possible to be less dependent on the whims of the regime. They did find the niches where they could be successful outside of Russia (at the very least - delivery, taxi and ride-heiling, cloud) but didn't have time to execute the plan.//
They were trying to do it as part of Yandex Group. So no, they was not trying to 'migrate from Russia', they was trying to find new markets, like they was trying do search in Turkey at 2010.
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Checking that out: You have: 40 MWh You want: tonoil * 3.4393809 / 0.29075 You have: 1 tonoil You want: barreloil * 6.8419323 / 0.14615754 You have: 6.84 barrel You want: liter * 1087.4731 / 0.00091956298 So, roughly 1,100 litres of oil per 40 MWh(thermal). The generator is likely ~30% efficient at converting heat to eletricity, so bump that up to 3,700 litres/hour. Even allowing for other inefficiencies, 12,000 litr…
I think that's wrong. One liter of diesel contains about 10 kWh of energy [1], so you need 4000 liters at 100% efficiency to generate 40 MWh. 12k liters per hour for the datacenter sounds about right, after accounting for diesel engine efficiency. [1] https://www.sustainabilityexchange.ac.uk/files/cambridge_reg...
Ramrodification caught my missing tonsoil -> barrels conversion.
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Legally Yandex is well integrated into the EU. Their main co. is a dutch, public company. Not sure how sanctions should work in this case.
For tax reasons only. We call them "brievenbus firma". They don't have any actual operations here.
Yandex did have a Dutch datacenter when it planned the expansion in Turkey (and other countries later). That expansion didn't work out and that datacenter was closed.
Taking that aside, I wouldn't say that Yandex is incorporated in Netherlands for tax reasons anyway. (It actually pays most of its tax in Russia anyway).
It was created for legal reasons though. AFAIK its ownership structure (with 2 classes of shares, with different voting rights) was illegal in Russia at the time Yandex went public.