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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Sakos »

kayoone wrote: post #201
larusso wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a German I weep and cry. 25Gbit/s seems so so far off. And I live in a major city. I only get 150Mbit VDSL at the moment. I have no cable connection so one of these to get the theoretical 1Gbit/s download is out of the question.

Gigabit internet is quite widely available through different cable providers in Germany nowadays. Also the country side seems to be moving up, the very rural place where I grew up (and where my mom still lives) had a max of 2Mbps DSL for the last 20(!) years and now the whole area is being upgraded to fibre and will enjoy 10/1Gbps by the end of the year!

Still quite expensive though, especially compared to almost every other country out there. It's insanity.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Sakos »

404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

> Back to original question and with genuine curiosity - what is 25Gbit for???

What a pointless question. I wish people would stop worrying about this instead of simply making it possible, so we can figure out what to do with it.

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Post by microtonal »

pph wrote: post #261
kayoone wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gigabit internet is quite widely available through different cable providers in Germany nowadays. Also the country side seems to be moving up, the very rural place where I grew up (and where my mom still lives) had a max of 2Mbps DSL for the last 20(!) years and now the whole area is being upgraded to fibre and will enjoy 10/1Gbps by the end of the year!

The drawback is that cable it is a shared medium, so it can be quite bad when demand is high (in the evening) and the upload bandwidth usually is very low.

Lived in Germany for 5 years and cable internet was generally terrible. We had 200/20MBit. But the actual upstream would often be 1MBit. Downstream was better but at many times not great. There would also be regular outages, that would take hours to solve. The only alternative was VDSL with a maximum downstream of 50MBit.

We moved back to NL and have 1GBit fiber, and there has been a short outage once in three years. I know that there are a still a lot of addresses without fiber, but when I last checked the stats, about 50% of the addresses has the possibility to get a fiber subscription. Heck, even my parents who live in a small rural town have fiber.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by quacker »

Salgat wrote: post #266
cm2187 wrote: post #5

Not convinced by the use case section. Very few servers will allow you a full 25gbit download, let alone anything more than a 1gbit (and often less). And if you own the server on the other end, that sort of bandwidth comes at a cost. I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive.

Agreed. A 25gbps download will fill an 8TB HDD in 47 minutes, so how much are you going to actually utilize that full bandwidth? Not that any webhost will ever give you even remotely that much bandwidth. I'm on 1gbps fiber and I've never saturated my connected. That would require 40 simultaneous 4K streams going at the same time in my house.

I'm wondering: is my storage fast enough to write at 25 Gb/s?

SATA drives max at 6 Gb/s, and probably a bit worse than that in practice.

M.2 NVMe SSDs can reach 25+ Gb/s on sequential writes. Maybe I could overclock these to squeeze a bit more out too. Although, an 8TB M.2 drive will cost over $1k for now.

I suppose there's also RAID. Although, I'm not sure what other limits/gotchas I'd run into there.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by underlines »

Existenceblinks wrote: post #36
jonnylynchy wrote: post #7

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

I'm in a rural city in Thailand, fiber 2Gbps is $50 / mo. And this is just for normie. Like unimpressive.

I'm Swiss and had Init7.

Moved to Thailand (BKK) in 2016 and was so disappointed by a very new condominium in the center, which didn't even allowed for FTTH lines.

Real Estate Developers usually make contracts within their Condos, to force the whole building to use only one provider.

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Post by underlines »

wonderbore wrote: post #123
Existenceblinks wrote: post #104

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In capital city, I'd say it's about $4-5/meal (including drink) in daily basis. For those who eat lots of things, $7/meal makes them full. --- footnote here: official income record of thai people/businesses does not really reflect reality. Lots of entities are kind of off-system.

Where do you spend 120 baht a meal? That's a restaurant meal, not the average meal. I don't spend more than 60 baht in Bangkok. At $7 (250 baht) you're talking about a night out (maybe except alcohol), way off of the "average meal".

I worked in BKK since 2016 and office staff usually goes to the cheapo restaurants (which I frequented too), so 40-80 baht is completely common also for white collar workers. But meat, vegetable and oil quality is really shady in that price range.

I prefer to order grab of around 120-200 baht from a "healthy" place or going for restaurants within Central 200-400 baht per meal.

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Post by virtuallynathan »

404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

Have you tried >1GbE Over your cat5? I’ve done 10GbE over short runs (100-150ft), and 5GbE or 2.5 should work over longer runs…

Wifi6E is around the corner for >1GbE wifi.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by ericd »

mdb31 wrote: post #229
oynqr wrote: post #112

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In what world is 10GbE only available for servers?

Without drowning in fan noise? This world... Sure, I guess you can get a Mac Studio, or some other 'workstation' class PC, but your switch will still need to be within a few meters of that endpoint, and it's not going to be very green nor silent. 2.5Gb/s can easily be done with a lot of laptops and workstations these days; 10 Gb/s isn't quite there yet (and 25, 40 and 100Gb/s are definitely in the server-only fiber-o…

If you have a PCI-e slot, there are reasonably priced, passively cooled NICs. Here's an RJ45 one: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1344847-REG/asus_90ig...

There are a few quiet 10 GbE switches, the passive Mikrotik ones others are mentioning, but this one is a quiet actively cooled one if you want RJ45: https://www.qnap.com/en-us/product/qsw-1208-8c (Lots of combo RJ45/SFP+ ports)

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by 404mm »

Sakos wrote: post #332
404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

> Back to original question and with genuine curiosity - what is 25Gbit for??? What a pointless question. I wish people would stop worrying about this instead of simply making it possible, so we can figure out what to do with it.

… but that’s what I’m asking. What can I do with it? As I mentioned above, I have 1Gig and can go up to 5Gig. What can I do with it??
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