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Re: Back to India

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Post by ramraj07 »

throwaway_1928 wrote: post #47
ramraj07 wrote: post #40

Good for you but there’s no real advantage professionally in moving back, but no disadvantage either. Sure you’re saying H1B restricts but does it really? Have you truly explored all immigration options? Or did you just balk at all the extra beauracracy and said I’ll go back to india? Which is fine, but do note the irony of moving to india to avoid bureaucracy lol. Apply and do your GST, run between five different br…

> Sure you’re saying H1B restricts but does it really? Given the author's impressive credentials and ambitious tone, he would be a fool to choose to wait 195 years [1] for a green card. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/03/01/immig...

There are better visa options for more skilled workers. Like the O1, or if you’re smart the L1 for international orgs with some stint outside. Or you can even start a company in a H1B. Or if you did make a lot of money an EB5. The list is long.

Re: Back to India

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Post by Koshkin »

oblio wrote: post #301
chrischen wrote: post #245

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The real geopolitics behind this is that Russia is trying to curb NATO influence. So this war is really about hurting NATO. A Russian loss helps NATO and a victory hurts NATO, but the war can be ended if either side makes the requisite concessions. But for unaffiliated parties they don’t necessarily take a pro-NATO stance so anti-war or anti-violence simply means “somebody please give in” rather than “NATO please win…

You use a lot of words in your post but none are "Ukraine". Ukrainians have the right to decide what they want to do and what, if anything, to give up.

> Ukrainians have the right

Not yet, apparently, but they are fighting for it.

Re: Back to India

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Post by 2143 »

krzyk wrote: post #267
yumraj wrote: post #255

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As always the reality is complicated, and yes, India does see a problem with the invasion. India is not like China where the media is openly supporting the Russian narrative. India is merely keeping quiet, with many in the media telling it to take a more open position against Russia. India has massive dependency on Russian military hardware and spare parts. So what should it do, just break off with Russia over a war…

Whole Eastern Europe has mostly Russian military hardware and guess what, we are basically enemies with Russia and we manage. We buy new equipment from Western countries now but large majority of equipment is still Soviet made. Choices. BTW. Regarding the oil and gas, India started buying when it didn't need to . EU is dependent on that oil and gas (Eastern Europe was forced on that dependency, Westerners stupidly jo…

> India started buying when it didn't need to . EU is dependent on that oil and gas (Eastern Europe was forced on that dependency, Westerners stupidly joined) - e.g. cars will stop on streets, people will freeze in houses

Do you think it's only Europe that has cars?

Do you think Indians move around on donkeys and bullock carts?

If the US oil prices match Russian oil prices, then sure, buying oil from US can be considered. [1]

[1] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/Swaminomics/if-us-...

Re: Back to India

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

ramraj07 wrote: post #331
throwaway_1928 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sure you’re saying H1B restricts but does it really? Given the author's impressive credentials and ambitious tone, he would be a fool to choose to wait 195 years [1] for a green card. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/03/01/immig...

There are better visa options for more skilled workers. Like the O1, or if you’re smart the L1 for international orgs with some stint outside. Or you can even start a company in a H1B. Or if you did make a lot of money an EB5. The list is long.

Let us say this young author has a master's degree from MIT and has worked a few years on an H1B at Tesla. But he does not have a PhD and does not publish research. And he is a very good engineer but does not care for management work. And he does not have a couple of million lying around to splurge on an EB5 visa. So his visa category will be 'EB2' and his wait time for a green card will be more than 100 years.

Now let us say he has an engineer friend who was born in Bolivia, received a bachelor's from Arizona State University, and works on an H1B at Office Depot. A perfectly adequate employee with a perfectly good background. His visa category will most likely be 'EB3' and his wait time for a green card will be 18 months.

The 'better visa options' you mention are in practice applicable only for a small minority of workers (certain PhDs, the very wealthy, expat managers etc).

The vast majority like this author find themselves strangely waiting 100+ years for a green card while their colleagues with very similar backgrounds from virtually any other country receive it in a year or two.

Re: Back to India

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Post by zem »

nindalf wrote: post #73
mahkeiro wrote: post #64

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There are many cases where “expat" are sent to a different country by their company. They are there for a couple of years depending on the projects. I don't see how they can be called immigrant, and they certainly don't see themselves as such.

Brown and black people sent temporarily by their companies are considered immigrants. White people living in retirement communities in Thailand call themselves and are called expats. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/10/immigr...

that might be an american thing? as a brown person when i was living in the UAE i was definitely an expat, since i had no intention of settling there (or indeed any particularly good option to).

Re: Back to India

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Post by ramraj07 »

bhargav wrote: post #172
ramraj07 wrote: post #40

Good for you but there’s no real advantage professionally in moving back, but no disadvantage either. Sure you’re saying H1B restricts but does it really? Have you truly explored all immigration options? Or did you just balk at all the extra beauracracy and said I’ll go back to india? Which is fine, but do note the irony of moving to india to avoid bureaucracy lol. Apply and do your GST, run between five different br…

The main advantage of India for me personally is a sense of community that I felt when I went back there after 8 years. Everyone in the society (i.e: I'd say equivalent to a street or a suburb) knows you and greets you. You go to the temple in the morning, and pickup some snacks along the way. In the evening, people go out to eat, meet their relatives, etc. There are pros and cons of this sense of community as well,…

Good that you like this but I honestly don’t like that. This is just a bunch of people saying hello. They’re no more helpful in the case of urgency than the average American you don’t know the name of. Thus what remains is only pervasive gossip. When people do unfathomable things like forcing marriages within caste this community “camaraderie” is what they use as the reason: “what will SOCIETY think of us?” You mean the jobless woman three doors down? I’d much rather live where no one knows or judges with prejudice my life choices.

This doesn’t just happen in india but also in the states where there are “tight knit communities”. Aka small church focused towns. Jobless people knowing each other seems like one of the fundamental problems hindering human freedom to me.

Re: Back to India

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Post by SkyMarshal »

throwaway158497 wrote: post #326
SkyMarshal wrote: post #210

> the insane opportunities available in India now [3]. > India’s rising startup and tech wave > Massive switch from wealth accumulation mode to wealth creation mode. > And the amount of VC funding in India combined with the startup ecosystem’s energy here is absolute fire > The collective risk appetite has never been higher. > The step after the ‘American dream’ is the ‘Indian dream’. This is great to hear about Indi…

Hard disagree. There is no evidence that startups of India are helping the GDP or improving the lives of rank and file Indians. In my understanding, right now, all these VC funded businesses are catering to top 100M of Indian population, people who are already living US-lifestyle in India.

I can see that being the case, no doubt. But for at least some new products and services, building and scaling them up to a billion+ person market requires starting with the 100M+ affluent Indians first. Then scale up from there. Tesla and electric cars is one example of this.

Re: Back to India

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Post by saimiam »

FlyingSnake wrote: post #134
saimiam wrote: post #104

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Hit me up in Mumbai sai @ pretzelbox dot cc.

I’ll be in Mumbai in June as well. Are there any hackerspaces that you recommend that I can visit? Would be up for a coffee if you’re up for it.

Plenty of coworking spaces all over the city and suburbs. They’ll probably work well if you want to spend a day or two working.

Found this list of hackerspaces but I’m personally not familiar with any of them.

https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Mumbai

Coffee/meetup sounds good! Email me when you’re here!

Re: Back to India

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Post by princevegeta89 »

rayiner wrote: post #312
therealrootuser wrote: post #191

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> America is in decline I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, but can you be more specific about which metrics America is objectively declining at?

Our social indicators are bad. Since 1990, marriage rates have been cut in half, out of wedlock births have doubled among white Americans, the fertility rate has dropped well below replacement. Suicide rates have been increasing for 25 years. Life expectancy peaked in 2014 and dropped since then. Drug overdoses were under 10,000 in 1990 and just broke 100,000 last year. The economy continues to grow, but if you hadn’…

So the way I see it, there are definitely a lot of societal problems in this country - there is a massive gun problem, the economy is capital-first, there are major corporations that frequently lobby the Congress, and there is increasingly more isolation/depression among families or young adults. But then, compared to other countries like Japan, it's still doing a lot better.

There are so many areas where the American culture really shines. The civil rights and protection are fantastic, and in a country like India, it'd be a breakthrough to even have 5% of it. While no country is perfect, I guess it's not too late yet to put forth some measures to guide the country onto a path of correction.

Re: Back to India

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Post by princevegeta89 »

me_me_mu_mu wrote: post #190
hans1729 wrote: post #5

I'd imagine moving back to India after being successful in the US gives you lots of leverage and status, in the sense of being a big fish in a smaller pool (what a beautiful irony, thinking of India of all places as the smaller pool, heh). But lets be real, isn't the quality of life much worse? I've never been there (or in the US, for that matter), but I'd imagine that things like infrastructure are far worse in Indi…

Imo it isn’t worth it. My family left India for a better life because having no running water and spotty electricity is an awful living experience. But the worst part is going outside and seeing that 80% of the people are doing worse than you and the suffering I saw was absolutely mind boggling. This was back in the 90s and 00s. I went back recently in 2017/18 and between the 400ppm smog (when there was a wildfire ne…

Great points. India is in a weird composition when it comes to the lifestyles people lead there. The problem is income inequality and lack of an economic balance thereof. I am sure there are a lot less beggars these days than there were in the 90's. The government, albeit corrupt, is slowly lifting people out of the poverty line and looking at the private sector, there are more employment opportunities now. Wage levels are still not up to the mark, and quickly diminish in value after trying to meet the costs of basic necessities like housing and transportation (fuel). We may need to hold on for another 10 years or so and see for ourselves what stage India may get to, at that point.
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