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Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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I completely agree with you and I used to work at Google and see this kind of activism first hand. It's not just activism though, the C-suites of these companies believe in this kind of thing.

People forget that SV companies being pro gay rights pre-dated the Obergefell decision.

Being pro gay rights has not really been reasonably mainstream in the US for quite a while now.

Overall, the majority has been pro gay rights since around 2004. By 2017 it was 70% for, 24% against. Breaking down by party in 2017, Democrats were 83% for, Republicans 54% for.

Women 73% for, men 66% for. White 73%, Hispanic 70%, Black 63%.

81% postgrad, 77% college grad, 66% some college, 64% high school or less.

83% 18-29, 79% 30-49, 65% 50-64, 58% 65+. See [1].

When it comes to same sex marriage, by 2019 61% overall approved. That's been above 50% since 2013, and above the percentage opposed since 2011.

Republicans still aren't majority in favor, at 44%. Democrats are at 75%.

By religion, 79% of the unaffiliated are in favor, 66% of white mainline protestants, 61% of Catholics, 44% of Black protestants, and only 29% of white evangelical protestants.

66% of women, 57% of men. 62% of whites, 58% of Hispanics, and 51% of Blacks. 74% of Millennials, 58% Gen-X, 51% Boomers, and 45% of the Silent Generation. See [2].

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/10/05/5-homosexual...

[2] https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-ga...

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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post #296

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I think the situation in the USA is quite unique. UK and Australia is not (as of yet) in any serious risk of their democracy being undermined in the next election. Sure you can say they could have had similar measures before the Kyrgyzstan or the Belarus elections. But there bad actors were perfectly able to undermine the democracy without the aid of social media.

That bad actors can only influence US elections through social media sounds like a very bold claim

Note I never said “Influence election”. I said the more vague term “undermine democracy”. That was on purpose.

Social media is used for personal and political gain throughout the world. You could argue (and I wouldn’t disagree) that brexit happened because bad actors used social media to undermine democracy in the UK. However the UK is still democratic (at least to the same extent that it ever was). The same can not be said if Trump uses social media to declear him self a winner in a partially tallied election.

I think the nearest international example if the current (very likely) US situation is the Venezuela presidential election of 2018, where Juan Guaidó declared him self the president even though Nicolás Maduro won the election. But even then social media wasn’t the medium of choice to go about it (international leaders were; albeit international leaders that used social media).

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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>Second, we will prevent “liked by” and “followed by” recommendations from people you don’t follow from showing up in your timeline and won’t send notifications for these Tweets. These recommendations can be a helpful way for people to see relevant conversations from outside of their network, but we are removing them because we don’t believe the “Like” button provides sufficient, thoughtful consideration prior to amp…

> we are removing them because we don’t believe the “Like” button provides sufficient, thoughtful consideration prior to amplifying Tweets to people who don’t follow the author of the Tweet, or the relevant topic that the Tweet is about

It's amusing that it took the election for them to finally admit this. I had thought much the same thing of Twitter's recommendations for a long time. People discussing divisive political issues shows up on my feed a lot, despite deliberate curation of who I follow, just because the people whose personal work I appreciate also happen to participate in political discussions in addition to posting their work, so the issues they "like" get posted on my feed. All of the posts they liked were from accounts I had no interest in following. Personally this change would cut down on the signal to noise ratio for me.

I am thinking they had to balance the improvement in their metrics for engagement they would gain by putting more novel out of network tweets in view, and the virtol and divisiveness the election-related media and misinformation propagating further would inevitably cause. Yes, there is not enough "sufficient, thoughtful consideration" put into the recommendations, but if they ultimately increase Twitter's user engagement and revenue then it takes a lot of effort to backtrack on them. It also makes me continue to believe that some kinds of information are detrimental in some ways, and Twitter is now controlling the flow of that information as to prevent public backlash or some other harm.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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post #306

What are some steps to bring us into the age of post-social media that aren't draconian/radical? If that is even possible...

At a high-level it’s simple: Cryptography combined with peer-to-peer routing. Cryptography provides private communication and sovereign identity, and peer-to-peer overlay routing provides censorship resistance. The technology already exists for direct, verified, and private communication between peers over any network topology.

The challenge is combining the aforementioned technology into an accepted standard and intuitive user experience. The business model would be straightforward hosting. A major barrier is the lack of funding to get it off the ground.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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post #116
post #57

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Hard disagree. It’s inevitable with any company in their position. There should be no company in that position. We need to decentralize and federate. Mastodon is AFAIK the prominent implementation here but regardless, we need to start pushing for and exploring networks and platforms operated under completely different premises.

Just to clarify: You don't disagree with what I wrote, but rather with the existence of something that caused me write something like that in the fist place?

No. I think this has nothing to do with “too much tolerance for political activism in companies”. Perhaps even the opposite.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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>People on Twitter, including candidates for office, may not claim an election win before it is authoritatively called. To determine the results of an election in the US, we require either an announcement from state election officials, or a public projection from at least two authoritative, national news outlets that make independent election calls.

Given how poorly the national news outlets performed on this the last presidential race, Twitter should really just limit this to state election official only.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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> I want to applaud this, because it's clearly a good move. It’s not that clear to me that this is a net good move. Exposure to out-network content, depending on what is exposed, could be good for preventing echo chambers and confirmation bias too. Twitter likely went the other direction and promoted out-network tweets that only increased engagement, and blaming the feature itself for this is naive at best. Second is…

Of turning it off is partisan than leaving it on is equally partisan, and where does that leave us?. Each of us must judge what is *good".

That is just false equivalency. Timing and intent changes everything. If a feature was not purpose built but happened to be used more by a certain demographic, that is not a partisan move at all, but removing it right before a political event intentionally would definitely be.

To be clear, I am not saying this is necessarily the case, but not being in the know is problematic as far as health of democratic processes is concerned, especially when public discourse more and more depends on private enterprises. I don't want any fingers on the scale, because even if it might be favoring my side today a) that is not honorable b) there is no guarantee shoe won't be on the other foot tomorrow.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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post #101

Reading these headlines is like living in a dystopian waking nightmare. This is not remotely at all the role that Twitter or any other Silicon Valley tech company should play in society.

By growing as large as they have, and by building automated systems to amplify content to mass audiences, they have acquired that role. It is unfortunate that their control over their responsibility is unilateral and undemocratic. But at their scale, if they chose not to try and assess the accuracy of information, but instead to blindly amplify it based on engagement metrics, that is also a political choice.

I also wish that these decisions were more democratic. At the same time, personally, I think that the folks who made these changes did a great job. They're helping preserve American democracy.

In particular, I appreciate:

"10/2019 - Banned all political ads on Twitter, including ads from state-controlled media"

I hope Facebook employees are taking notes.

I'm also a huge fan of:

"...we will label Tweets that falsely claim a win for any candidate and will remove Tweets that encourage violence or call for people to interfere with election results or the smooth operation of polling places."

Does anyone know whether the next one is official US policy, or whether it's just Twitter's policy?

"To determine the results of an election in the US, we require either an announcement from state election officials, or a public projection from at least two authoritative, national news outlets that make independent election calls."

Mail-in ballots can arrive at the voting office as late as November 20th this year (depending on your state.. you still have to mail your ballot out by November 3rd, though) [0]. With so many people voting by mail this year, we might not know the election results until November 20th. I hope that election officials (and Twitter officials) will take that into account.

[0] https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voter-registration/vote-mai...

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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They are nuking them right now (temporarily). It's not just being discussed, it's being done . But most of the time people like getting content recommended. It's what consumers want.

> It's what consumers want. Do consumers want it, or is it merely taking advantage of some more subconscious human behavior patterns. And if the latter, is this something that is bad for humankind?

Oh mate - definitely something that the dopamine dealers need to confront at some point. ‘Want’ vs actual material benefit to life
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