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Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

#101

Reading these headlines is like living in a dystopian waking nightmare. This is not remotely at all the role that Twitter or any other Silicon Valley tech company should play in society.

By growing as large as they have, and by building automated systems to amplify content to mass audiences, they have acquired that role. It is unfortunate that their control over their responsibility is unilateral and undemocratic. But at their scale, if they chose not to try and assess the accuracy of information, but instead to blindly amplify it based on engagement metrics, that is also a political choice.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

#102
post #37

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>But what about the day that changes? What about the day they decide to censor you instead? What about it? People get banned from Twitter all the time - literally every hosted platform and service moderates and bans content as they see fit. The terms of service you agreed to when using that platform likely includes phrases like "for any reason" and "in perpetuity throughout the universe." So I guess I make another ac…

Social media platforms have an even more powerful weapon: the ability to share your perception of reality. Sure, they can't arrest you, but they can slowly shift your world view just by amplifying some stories and not others.

I do not consider this to be a major achievement on my part, but I have successfully managed to navigate my way through life without using Facebook or Twitter to facilitate my worldview. There seems to be this assumption that we are compelled to use these services to engage with the world around us. Heartbreaking to see this...

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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>> There's never a situation where you let people say whatever they want > What? There are tons of places where the only restrictions on what you say, is determined by the law. So there are still restrictions then and people can't say whatever they want? > The standard could be "Whatever is allowed by US law", which is extremely non restrictive on speech. voat.co is a clone of reddit where the only difference is no r…

> So there are still restrictions The amount of speech that is allowed by US law is so extremely broad that those restrictions may as well not exist. IE, lets say someone were to argue "I think it is totally OK for the government to arrest and execute people who disagree with the government in any way!", and then backed up this belief by saying "Well, you support restrictions on free speech as well! You don't think t…

You made some huge leaps in what I was arguing. I never said the government should expand their freedom of speech restrictions or anything like that. I simply said there are still restrictions, even if they are small and that sites without restrictions are horrible.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

#104
post #37

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>But what about the day that changes? What about the day they decide to censor you instead? What about it? People get banned from Twitter all the time - literally every hosted platform and service moderates and bans content as they see fit. The terms of service you agreed to when using that platform likely includes phrases like "for any reason" and "in perpetuity throughout the universe." So I guess I make another ac…

> That's not exactly the boot of fascism stomping on your face forever. Alright. Let's say that all of the major social media platforms ban any discussion of raising their taxes, or enacting more regulation on them, or let's say they straight up ban major politicians from the platform. Oh, and also there is no other significant competitor that matters, and it is unlikely that any competitors will pop up anytime soon.…

>Let's say that all of the major social media platforms ban any discussion of raising their taxes, or enacting more regulation on them, or let's say they straight up ban major politicians from the platform

Unless we're talking about a situation where a government controls the internet and makes it illegal for anyone but those social media sites to set up a server or host content, then that might create an immediate market demand for alternatives and those alternatives would appear, although alternatives would very likely already exist.

>Oh, and also there is no other significant competitor that matters, and it is unlikely that any competitors will pop up anytime soon.

You keep piling on qualifiers like "significant" and "serious" yet before social media silos it was entirely possible to reach millions of people and go viral with hosted forums and personal webpages. Hacker News alone gets a ton of traffic and it's hardly mainstream. What will happen is that the web will adapt as it always has.

It's not as big a problem as you make it out to be. Don't confuse the size of these sites' userbases with proportional degree of control over anything outside of their domain.

>Ok, now what is almost all of the major platforms do it, and there are no serious competitors?

>Let's expand this out even further. What if Walmart did the same thing? Along with multiple other grocery stores.

>You want to raise their taxes, well sorry, you probably aren't going to be able to buy food from any major grocery store.

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>Your passive acceptance of this type of being can be extrapolated out to horrifying results.

Everything can be extrapolated out to horrifying results if you try hard enough and care little enough about reality. But your scenario in which every social media site (including those hosted in other countries,) and every businesses and government utilities and services conspire to control all forms of communication and deprive people of basic services as a means of oppression is so far removed from any conceivable reality that I have to question whether you're commenting in good faith. Otherwise, you're doing a good job of making my point for me.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

#105

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> So there are still restrictions The amount of speech that is allowed by US law is so extremely broad that those restrictions may as well not exist. IE, lets say someone were to argue "I think it is totally OK for the government to arrest and execute people who disagree with the government in any way!", and then backed up this belief by saying "Well, you support restrictions on free speech as well! You don't think t…

You made some huge leaps in what I was arguing. I never said the government should expand their freedom of speech restrictions or anything like that. I simply said there are still restrictions, even if they are small and that sites without restrictions are horrible.

> . I simply said there are still restrictions

But the point is that the fact that they are so extremely small and minimal restrictions on speech in the US, is not a good excuse to justify much larger restrictions.

If the existing restrictions of US law are so minimal, it makes no sense to bring it up, as any sort of justification for much larger restrictions.

It is just not relevant to anything, to mention that, because those restrictions are small, and are therefore not related to much larger restrictions.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

#106

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https://reason.com/2020/10/07/phony-fact-checking-on-forest-... (Facebook, not Twitter)

Reason is not a reputable source on anything.

Is there anything in the link that you dispute?

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

#107
post #67

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Why do you think the pressure is coming from inside? There are billions of people watching these platforms. Even governments scrutinizing them. Unruly employees are fairly easy to handle, as long as there's not outside pressure too, but in this case the outside pressures are immense.

The changes give Twitter employees a vast amount of power over determining what's allowed to be said and what isn't. That fact alone makes me believe this is a result of internal pressure.

Social network moderators are almost always low-paid, low-power, low-profile employees. It's not a great job. It's a high-volume job, like an assembly line. The highly compensated Twitter and Facebook software engineers are not doing the content moderation. They don't have the time, and they would run away screaming if they had to do it for an hour. It's likely that a lot of this work is even outsourced.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

#108
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think the pressure is coming from inside? There are billions of people watching these platforms. Even governments scrutinizing them. Unruly employees are fairly easy to handle, as long as there's not outside pressure too, but in this case the outside pressures are immense.

The changes give Twitter employees a vast amount of power over determining what's allowed to be said and what isn't. That fact alone makes me believe this is a result of internal pressure.

Exactly. Being a Twitter employee is now a political force, in practice.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

#109
post #8

>Second, we will prevent “liked by” and “followed by” recommendations from people you don’t follow from showing up in your timeline and won’t send notifications for these Tweets. These recommendations can be a helpful way for people to see relevant conversations from outside of their network, but we are removing them because we don’t believe the “Like” button provides sufficient, thoughtful consideration prior to amp…

Easy, because the blog post wasnt for you, it was for shareholders, advertisers and bot farms.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

#110
post #90
post #2

I'm not sure why Twitter thinks that quote tweets are better than retweets. Propaganda exists to be spread, and it's long been obvious that "This is wrong/bad [quote]" just serves to further spread the propaganda and raise the propaganda artist's profile. Also, you can disable retweets on accounts you follow but not quote tweets.

It makes it harder for bots to just retweet and amplify without having to write unique content. If they all just retweet with "I agree", that is easy to Twitter to detect and filter.

There are millions of real tweets like this though. "++ [tweet]" "Thread. [tweets]" [downward pointing finger emoji, tweet]
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