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Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by fomine3 »

scblzn wrote: post #282

I tried it around November 2019, really liked Notion and the UI/UX of the product for some note taking/personal knowledge base, however I had to contact their security team through their support because TLS 1.0 was still enabled at this time. They say they are audited by NCC ( https://www.notion.so/Security-6c56b4854b624b0d8f36711018647... ) but I don't know how NCC missed this. They disabled TLS 1.0 few days after m…

I don't care about DNSSEC but it seems that .so TLD looks like potential risk for stability. (like .io case)

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Post by fomine3 »

nisuni wrote: post #38

If they only had a native Mac application. I love Notion, but the Mac client feels so sluggish, I didn’t investigative but looks like a web view or Electron or something similar.

I think that Notion can't be implemented other than Web technologies because it should support many features for many platforms. I generally don't like Electron but I accept for Notion.

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Post by secfirstmd »

ciarannolan wrote: post #183
jamiequint wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notion employees are only allowed to access your workspace data with your written consent. We are also only allowed to do this in order to facilitate an improved user experience for you (e.g. debug problems you have asked support about, etc). We are working on updating our T&C and Privacy Policy to make this more clear, but it is rigorously practiced internally already. We do not yet have end-to-end encryption, or ot…

Thanks for the reply, Jamie, much appreciated. I would definitely pay for an E2E encrypted Notion.

Ditto. Also I'm a big Notion fan but there is no way certain stuff I work on can be on it, or I can recommend it to many people doing sensitive things. Which is a pity. Notions security is its biggest flaw. Also the lack of proper two factor in the modern age is silly.

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Post by bibinou »

intopieces wrote: post #69
avolcano wrote: post #5

This is kinda weird, because I was happily giving them $4/month after running out of space in their trial plan, and now I absolutely have no reason to keep giving them money. Which, sure, I guess I'll take it. My $4/month isn't going to make or break their business and they probably barely give a shit about getting money for personal usage. Does remind me that my usage of their app doesn't align with their business m…

Are there any open source Notion alternatives? This is the main benefit of open source software, in my mind: no one can "take" it from you because it doesn't belong to "them" in the same way that a product does.

It's a wiki. MediaWiki has a lot of dynamic features now.

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Post by FireBeyond »

txcwpalpha wrote: post #42
edjrage wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhh... Have you tried reading past that? They literally list pretty much all of the most important features right there (though I believe not all of them). They even show which services each feature replaces. It's true there is marketing speak sprinkled throughout it, but all in all it's the opposite of the "nothing but marketing speak" trend most services follow.

Yes. Here are some excerpts from the (very minimally descriptive) page: > Write better. Think more clearly. Get organized. Totally useless in terms of explaining what the product is. >A simple, beautiful writing experience, with 30+ types of content to add. Great, so I can... write things in it? What are these 30 types of content? It doesn't even give examples. > Turn your tribal knowledge into easy-to-find answers.…

I feel like you're nit-picking this to depth. Most of the answers you've mentioned may not exist on the homepage but within one click. Under the Product menu, there's a bunch more contextual detail.

I'm not sure why you would expect the main page to list, individually, 30+ types of content. Do you similarly complain that the homepage for Lightroom doesn't say that you can edit the following parameters on an image:

* Lens Correction - Chromatic Aberration, Profile Corrections, Distortion, Vignetting

* Basic - Color Profile, White Balance, Temperature, Tint, Tone, Exposure, Contrast, Highlights, Shadows, Whites, Blacks, Texture, Clarity, Dehaze, Vibrance, Saturation

* Transform - Auto, Guided, Level, Vertical, Full, Rotation, Aspect, Scale, X Offset, Y Offset

* Tone Curve - Regional and Global Highlights, Lights, Darks, Shadows, Point Curves

* HSL / Color - Change hue for Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Aqua, Blue, Purple, Magenta. Change saturation for same. Change Luminance for same.

* Split Toning, Highlights (Hue, Saturation), Shadows (same), balance between two.

* Details: Sharpening (amount, radius, detail, masking), Noise Reduction (luminance, detail, contrast)

... and so on.

Or do you settle for "Wide ranging, comprehensive non-destructive image editing"?

> What are these 30 types of content? It doesn't even give examples.

There are, just off the main page.

I'm just not sure what you're expecting is at all reasonable of any product. The main page draws you in, and the Product page breaks it down by use context. You're certainly entitled to "I don't want to have to go to any additional pages", but that doesn't work for anything more than the simplest products.

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Post by eugeniub »

MikeKusold wrote: post #166
intopieces wrote: post #69

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Are there any open source Notion alternatives? This is the main benefit of open source software, in my mind: no one can "take" it from you because it doesn't belong to "them" in the same way that a product does.

Joplin or Bookstack are probably the closest. Joplin is closer to Evernote. https://joplinapp.org/ https://www.bookstackapp.com/

Yeah I don't think Joplin has collaboration features. I also found the UI to be extremely bad on iOS.

BookStack doesn't have any client apps — it's basically a PHP app like WordPress that you can self-host, but the collaboration feature set is pretty good. It's a wiki that feels a bit like Notion.

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Post by gtm1260 »

I love notion. I want to support them and I hope they and their product continue to grow and improve. But I can't help facepalming a little bit as I just bought 1 year of notion.

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Post by codeisawesome »

franky47 wrote: post #23

The one thing that bothers me about Notion (and Slack and other "everything in one place" tools), is the lack of encryption. I might have FAANGophobia, but whenever there is a free tier without a form of end-to-end encryption in place, it feels like a data puddle waiting to become a lake. That being said, having clear-text data would allow features like an API on publicly shared pages/blocks, to use Notion as a CMS.…

Made me puke when Evernote introduced the "Context" feature, a disgusting data grab. It's a much worse option than just searching for whatever I want by myself, with the added anti-feature of losing all privacy to Evernote staff (and whomever hacks/has already hacked them).

My guess is that all these apps are salivating over the data to be able to train their NLP models which they can sell to an acquirer. I can't wait for Obsidian or some other app to reach feature parity (including wide, stable platform support). Would happily pay $$$ per year for it.

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Post by presspot »

jerrygoyal wrote: post #261
pcx wrote: post #49

I love using Notion, but I think the general discussion about it does not talk enough about how it's flexibility is also a problem many times. 1. Flexibility of blocks is a cognitive overhead for most folks in my team. They would rather prefer more constrained and opinionated approaches like Trello 2. Notion is currently a jack of all trades and master of none. We have tried to use it as a wiki, project tracker, issu…

long time notion user here. I was using notion for my personal life and it was serving the purpose but when I started using it as a project management tool for my dev team I realised how crippled it is (no dependent tasks, gantt view etc). maybe I'm wrong and notion is not built for this but then again why would i use it just for wiki? recently started looking for task management+wiki tool.. reviewed more than 10+ to…

ClickUp is totally badass, and their feature velocity is breathtaking.

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Post by dyarosla »

fastball wrote: post #312
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #299

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> Just because it's annoying doesn't mean it's a dark pattern in the typical sense of the word. I'm happy to include multiple forms of coercion; the pattern here is the ratchet: https://jacquesmattheij.com/dark-patterns-the-ratchet/ > It's just a little annoying thing that bugs you until you do what they want. That's a nice summary of a class of dark patterns, yes. > It's not unethical, but if you don't like it you s…

What exactly is your definition of ethical? Because a little box at the bottom of a webpage that just sits there does not really cross the unethical line for me. For me, this is only a dark pattern if the cookie banner makes the site unusable (as many sites do) until you click "Yes". Ours clearly does not. Regardless, the initial accusation was: > If you're not giving people a choice, why even pretend? Which is clear…

So why not allow disabling of the box?
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