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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by mathw »

pacificmint wrote: post #317
etatoby wrote: post #299

From Google's point of view, the Blender Foundation are the bad guys. They host a very popular channel on their servers, using up a lot of bandwidth, storage, and resources, they don't pay a cent to the hosting provider, and on top of that, they actively try to prevent their content from paying up for itself. I don't see it as shocking that Google is forcing them to enable ads. What I find surprising is that Google d…

Or doesn't at least C) clearly explain what the policy is. You want to require ads on channels over x views, make that your policy. But these guys have priority support, and still go around for months with youtube without getting any answers, only to then have their whole channel killed without comment. Why do so many tech companies have these Kafkaesque exception paths?

I concur. YouTube need to have a clear policy, explain it, give people a notice period, then implement it.

If they want everything to be monetised in order to fund the ongoing existence and development of YouTube that's entirely their choice, but they need to be very explicit about it.

Especially when they're wiping out entire channels with misleading error messages as a consequence of maybe possibly changing something that they haven't told their support people about.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ePierre »

deltron3030 wrote: post #129

If you're interested in Blender, but come from a ${'insert your favorite creative tool'} background, and want less cognitive load (adaption to quirks that only exist within Blender), check out Bforartists! It's a fork of Blender with better, more familiar UX and behavior. https://www.bforartists.de/

I didn't know this!

The Blender team is working on Blender 2.8 which will bring a lot of new features, including a lot of UI changes.

There was an article about some of these changes a while ago on their blog [1], and more recently a video showing a lot of these UI changes... available on the Blender Developers Youtube channel (how ironic!) [2].

[1] https://code.blender.org/2018/04/tools-toolbar-and-tool-widg...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZufGqRP6Gc8&t=6s

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ForHackernews »

pacificmint wrote: post #317
etatoby wrote: post #299

From Google's point of view, the Blender Foundation are the bad guys. They host a very popular channel on their servers, using up a lot of bandwidth, storage, and resources, they don't pay a cent to the hosting provider, and on top of that, they actively try to prevent their content from paying up for itself. I don't see it as shocking that Google is forcing them to enable ads. What I find surprising is that Google d…

Or doesn't at least C) clearly explain what the policy is. You want to require ads on channels over x views, make that your policy. But these guys have priority support, and still go around for months with youtube without getting any answers, only to then have their whole channel killed without comment. Why do so many tech companies have these Kafkaesque exception paths?

> Why do so many tech companies have these Kafkaesque exception paths?

Support doesn't scale. Better that a million users have a terrible experience than one user takes up staff time getting their problem fixed.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by JackCh »

bad_user wrote: post #321
Endy wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Also, Google, I would have registered for YouTube Red to pay cash for an ad free experience, but you haven't made it available in my country yet and I've been waiting for a long time. Pay them for no ads? Nope, that's why I have Disconnect, Ghostery, uBlock Origin, and some userscripts enabled along with a fairly extensive HOSTS file.

Well, people like you are the reason for why we can't have nice things.

People who reward companies like Alphabet are the reason we don't have nice things.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by andypants »

scottmcdot wrote: post #193
andypants wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Each instance of peertube is like youtube. There can be many users and users can have many channels. You can choose which instance you want to upload to, since different instances will have different storage limits, user limits, content policies, content focus, moderation, site layout, etc. Or you can run your own instance if you want full control over your content and the site as a whole. Different instances of peer…

I see, thanks for the clarification. When it came to searching for all content across all instances (in a way like how we can search all content on YouTube) is this something that would be possible?

You would need to find an instance of peertube that is following all other instances. There are several peertubes that try to follow as many other instances as possible, but there will always be private or unadvertised instances. If nobody knows a particular instance exists, then nobody can follow it and its content won't be discoverable.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by paulie_a »

cvwright wrote: post #160
Applejinx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made a video about this in January, before YouTube strongarmed Blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ksbTTXHw8 I am pretty dismayed to be this right. I didn't think YT would be nearly this aggressive in service of the ideas I outlined. Basically, they take a cut off that activity. In some cases they could take most of or all the money, which is a clear win for them, but even when they pay out they're earning r…

Eventually this is going to get them in trouble with the Sherman Antitrust Act. From Wikipedia: > "Innocent monopoly", or monopoly achieved solely by merit, is perfectly legal, but acts by a monopolist to artificially preserve that status, or nefarious dealings to create a monopoly, are not. The purpose of the Sherman Act is not to protect competitors from harm from legitimately successful businesses, nor to prevent…

No that will absolutely never happen, ever. Sorry to burst your bubble. It isn't even in the realm of possibility, spotting Bigfoot riding the lochness monster is more realistic.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by JackCh »

JetSpiegel wrote: post #309
xuki wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good luck with that when Apple offer the same thing for free on iOS.

And FLOSS on OsmAnd

I've found that OsmAnd's directions are high quality, but it's UX needs some more TLC. It's something I can use because I found poking around at it somehow enjoyable, but it's not something I can yet recommend to people who aren't peculiar in that sense.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ariwilson »

The comments here are more interesting than the article itself. Looks like the real issue was a UX snafu on YouTube's part that support had trouble resolving for too long. Let's hope YouTube does better in the future.

However, if you read the comments here, they paint a sinister portrait of YouTube that has nothing to do with Blender's issue. Some examples:

- ads are required for big channels (false)

- demonetization of content creators (unrelated)

- anti-trust based on search or social networking (unrelated)

- SketchUp is blocking YouTube videos (false)

We might as well change Hacker News from an article based format to a topic based format if everyone is just going to bring in their unrelated and false pet peeves to every discussion.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by alex_duf »

apichat wrote: post #276
gargron wrote: post #17

Side note: PeerTube is part of the same federated network as Mastodon. You can follow Blender's PeerTube account from Mastodon by entering @blender@video.blender.org into the search bar and clicking follow on the result!

Yes and PeerTube https://joinpeertube.org/en/ is fundrising to be improved : https://www.kisskissbankbank.com/en/projects/peertube-a-free... 20 000 € goal: PeerTube v1, clean and simple With your help, we can get PeerTube to its first stable release, its v1, planned for October, 2018. You will finance the development of: ○ Interface localization, to support multiple languages; ○ Video subtitles, to facilitate video a…

Thanks, that convinced me to give

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by paulie_a »

arcbyte wrote: post #237
thefifthsetpin wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watched your video and you made some great points. As an aside, I have to wonder if you've thought through your desire to serve your website over HTTP instead of over HTTPS. You noted that you use ad blocking software because ad networks are a common route by which malware propagates. HTTP websites comprise another salient target for malware. If I am at a coffee shop with a compromised wifi router and I load your H…

Sometimes HTTPS makes sense and sometimes HTTP makes sense. HTTPS everywhere NEVER makes sense.

It's 2018. Https absolutely makes sense in all circumstances... everywhere for everything. Http should not even be considered as an option.
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