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Don't they all have qualified immunity nowadays?
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#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hate to invoke the comparison, and not to diminish the Holocaust at all, but to give you a better idea of what's happening in the US right now: what's happening could be compared to the Gestapo rounding up the Jews. Innocent people are being rounded up by a faceless secret police, violently, in a terrorising manner, and taken to detention centres, with their human rights abused at every stage, with no due process a…
It seems to me exactly the same. An arbitrary group has been selected as being an enemy, they are used to present justifications for breaking law and due process, you then develop a large organization (Gestapo/ICE) accustomed to following orders and ignoring the law - if you're going to subvert the political system, you need to possess the means to force you will on the population. You need a large group of men who w…
> An arbitrary group has been selected as being an enemy
It is not an arbitrary group, it’s a group of people who are residing in the United States illegally.
> Gestapo/ICE
If Mexico is so awful that being deported there is tantamount to the Holocaust, why would you ever be in favor of allowing Mexicans to enter the United States without going through the legal channels to ensure that the people who come here are not creating the problems that make deportation to Mexico comparable to being sent to Auschwitz?
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#323I don't agree with all the methods used by ICE in Chicago, but I understand the problem they are trying to fix. Most of the comments on HN don't seem to think there is a problem, but that could largely be due to our limited memories and selective hearing.
Back in 2022, the Biden administration was flying immigrant family and children secretly at night to places like Chicago. I have a friend who worked at an airlines hired for this and it is reported in the news. However, no one seemed to care. https://nypost.com/2022/04/15/biden-administration-resumes-m...
It seems it's much easier to secretly bring people in than publicly try to remove them after it's done. Not surprising or shocking. The solution to "right" the situation could be amnesty, but that doesn't restore or build respect for the laws already on the books.
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From this I can infer your answer to "have you ever been an EJ" is no. As a starting point, citizenship is not in fact a state requirement for service as a sworn police officer. In my muni, it's explicitly not: all that's required is authorization to work. Second, it's not the job of EJs to judge whether people are citizens or not. The median EJ in Cook County, for what it's worth, is 45 years old.
Do you think it's impossible that there are undocumented folks living under false identities and/or stolen SSNs casting votes in elections? It's a yes or no question. To put it another way, do you believe non-citizens in this country illegally (and thus already breaking the law), have some sort of deference when it comes to obeying election laws? Thankfully we have the spry 45 year old election judges to oversee it a…
No, having served as an EJ a couple times in Illinois now and understanding how the system works, I'm confident that there is no material amount of non-citizen voting happening in Cook County.
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#325A plumber working on my pipes is upset, his wages are suppressed by competition from illegals getting paid under the table, while his rent has skyrocketed, and his taxes are paying for his illegal competitors food and rent and healthcare.
tell your plumber he's an idiot because his taxes are not paying for that, and his rent is not skyrocketing because of "illegals" (other than the illegal collusion of rental prices via price algorithm fixing).
> and his rent is not skyrocketing because of "illegals"
Why is it skyrocketing?
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If he doesn't, he needs to be forthright about it in his speeches and podcasts. "The ISP is disobeying my direct orders." Until then, he bears responsibility for their actions.
The NYPD all but threatened to kill Bill de Blasio's daughter when he tried to bring them to heel. I'm limiting myself to being furious at the fucking freaks terrorizing my city instead of creating new shit to get mad about. There's plenty as is.
Sure, I don't mean this to arouse anger. I point it out for the Democratic primaries in March. https://ballotpedia.org/Illinois_gubernatorial_and_lieutenan...
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It's not particularly a "surge" in crime, as the issue (illegal immigrants) has built up over time. However, in years past, everybody just kind of overlooks it--and on the local level, it's basically not a problem beyond the normal folks being mad at demographics changing. Most all of the immigrants are working and participating in the economy--ironically, making them more vulnerable to the .gov than if they were jus…
"Fears about immigration" are bullshit inevitably most pushed by people who don't even live in areas with immigrants (legal or not).
If the Native Americans had been slightly more fearful of immigrants we might be having this conversation in Cherokee.
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I live in Chicago, and this article doesn't even scratch the surface of how bad it is. My wife went to the beach yesterday for 10 minutes to try and rest from the chaos and a fucking black hawk helicopter buzzed by her. They literally fly over my house daily. People, US citizens included, are literally being abducted. People have been shot and killed by masked agents. People have had their children abandoned on the s…
> This post has been flagged and hidden, just demonstrating how much this country wants to pretend this isn't happening It’s so sad to see HN taking the side of violence and oppression with their “head in the sand” approach. I wonder how different the HN overlords would feel if their own families were being torn apart. This is Disgraceful and inexcusable. The shame. The only reason this is not currently flagged to ob…
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
If we assume the reporting in the linked video was accurate, you’re at most talking about unlawful detention and 4th amendment violations. No one with legal status to reside in the country was reported to have disappeared in the way you are implying.
You’re fine with this? Totally cool when this happens to you and your family?
I’m not at all worried about my family being deported for the simple reason that they have legal status to reside in the places where they reside. I wouldn’t have approached it the same way, but for the sole reason that you end up with citizens being inconvenienced.
This post wasn’t about citizens having their rights infringed upon, though; it’s obvious from the editorializing that the author does not believe that America has any fundamental right to sovereignty. The author’s primary concern (and yours, I would venture) is ensuring that foreign nationals are not molested as they continue to reside and work within the United States illegally.
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There are protests everyday you walnut and the administration is using that as a pretense to move in honest to god military troops. Nearly everyone I know (including my 80 year old neighbor) has been to a protest. You can go to an organizing meeting any day of the week in any neighborhood in the city. We are all walking around with whistles for signaling when ice comes and kids are making them on 3d printers in the l…
Americans protest by writing witty signs and taking pictures for the ‘gram. No wonder they never work.
Exactly.