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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by tptacek »

fujigawa wrote: post #293
tptacek wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah? What about being a sworn police officer is it that you think qualifies you to vote? Have you ever worked a shift as an EJ? Do you know how the Illinois/Cook County voting system works?

Is it your contention that if someone was an illegal immigrant as alleged, and in doing so able to pass a local government background check without arousing suspicion, someone wouldn't be able to outsmart some 80 year old election judge who is volunteering her time that would otherwise be spent watching reruns of Judge Judy? The system is not as airtight as you purport it to be.

From this I can infer your answer to "have you ever been an EJ" is no.

As a starting point, citizenship is not in fact a state requirement for service as a sworn police officer. In my muni, it's explicitly not: all that's required is authorization to work.

Second, it's not the job of EJs to judge whether people are citizens or not. The median EJ in Cook County, for what it's worth, is 45 years old.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

chasil wrote: post #278
testing22321 wrote: post #272

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ICE have the official policy that no paperwork is sufficient to prove citizenship. The only source of truth it their biometrics app https://www.404media.co/you-cant-refuse-to-be-scanned-by-ice...

That will certainly not work for children, as their faces change. I live in Illinois. Since Republican governor Ryan gave chauffers licenses to undocumented immigrants (resulting in fatalities), it is certain that an Illinois license is worthless. I had hoped that an ID issued by the U.S. Department of State would be a safeguard. Perhaps not, but wise to obtain both forms, for the judge.

Quite frankly, are you so naive as to think they give a shit?

ICE is a gestapo and who they want to be illegal is illegal and can be whisked away. No consequences, no retaliation.

They now have an all-knowing oracle who tells them the ultimate truth, all evidence be damned.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by whoknowsidont »

drdaeman wrote: post #300
whoknowsidont wrote: post #202

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>If you just want to see the people who voted for this as "the enemy" and "evil" you're basically doing the same tribal "othering" that's lead to these outcomes you don't like. "If you point out problems, you yourself are actually the problem. I am very rational." Incredible logic.

It is incredible, because a lot of people dismiss it so eagerly. Let me try to phrase it differently: ostracization rarely yields positive results, and is more likely to lead to opposite of desired course of action through future radicalization. In other words, saying that bad people are bad is - as paradoxical as it might be - less likely to making anyone better than make bad people even worse.

>It is incredible, because a lot of people dismiss it so eagerly.

Because it's wishful thinking, and it only serves one purpose and only benefits one group.

You can't say it wasn't tried. Far from it.

It didn't work out. Plain and simple.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by lurk2 »

testing22321 wrote: post #263
lurk2 wrote: post #255

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If we assume the reporting in the linked video was accurate, you’re at most talking about unlawful detention and 4th amendment violations. No one with legal status to reside in the country was reported to have disappeared in the way you are implying.

You’re fine with this? Totally cool when this happens to you and your family?

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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by fujigawa »

tptacek wrote: post #301
fujigawa wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it your contention that if someone was an illegal immigrant as alleged, and in doing so able to pass a local government background check without arousing suspicion, someone wouldn't be able to outsmart some 80 year old election judge who is volunteering her time that would otherwise be spent watching reruns of Judge Judy? The system is not as airtight as you purport it to be.

From this I can infer your answer to "have you ever been an EJ" is no. As a starting point, citizenship is not in fact a state requirement for service as a sworn police officer. In my muni, it's explicitly not: all that's required is authorization to work. Second, it's not the job of EJs to judge whether people are citizens or not. The median EJ in Cook County, for what it's worth, is 45 years old.

Do you think it's impossible that there are undocumented folks living under false identities and/or stolen SSNs casting votes in elections? It's a yes or no question.

To put it another way, do you believe non-citizens in this country illegally (and thus already breaking the law), have some sort of deference when it comes to obeying election laws?

Thankfully we have the spry 45 year old election judges to oversee it all.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by mjd »

nemo44x wrote: post #235
ryandrake wrote: post #224

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You can argue for or against mass-deportation as a policy. Fine. But the tactics are a choice, and at every turn, the current administration is deliberately choosing cruelty, fear, intimidation, violence, opaqueness, and grief. In an alternate world, they could have still chosen to do mass-deportation, but also: 1. sent uniformed officers with arrest warrants, 2. who identify themselves clearly as officers, 3. who sh…

So the aesthetics are bad. The execution is sloppy and it’s likely the people tasked with it are under trained and under supervised. But the outcome is the same otherwise. I don’t know if they’re trying to be mean or if they’re just trying to effectively hit their goals. It’s ruthless execution but that’s what’s taught in business school today. The citizens that are being wrongly violated will have their day and be c…

Adherence to the rule of law is not an “aesthetic”.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by tky »

Accurate, if even a bit softer than how it really is.

I never felt unsafe in my west side Chicago community until the Black Hawks started doing daily intimidation runs. Until they abducted community members who were out working one day, gone the next.

I used to push a wagon with side pockets full of bubbles, snacks, and toys. Now there’s fewer toys to make room for gas masks for kids and adults.

Chicago is a tough town. People here are doing an amazing job restraining themselves and others. I’ve heard on more than one occasion people in crowds reminding one another to not give them reason to pull in the Guard.

This will likely not be the case forever.

More people need to see what’s happening here. This is not sustainable; generational harm is being inflicted on those directly targeted and those who seethe with anger and have to explain to kids why their friends aren’t around anymore.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by UncleMeat »

tptacek wrote: post #173
tedivm wrote: post #130

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I live here, and Pritzker says the right things then does the wrong things. He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources to attack and kidnap people. In half the videos you see out there his state police as assisting ICE. We have Chicago Aldermen out in the streets and in the hospitals getting arrested and assaulted, we have candidates for congress lik…

Right now, I agree pretty strongly with this. In particular: Pritzker is the command in chief of the Illinois State Police. But the ISP is very conservative and fairly MAGA, and ISP has staffed protests pretty aggressively. Pritzker has in theory the ability to reorient ISP away from policing protesters and towards protecting them from DHS, and he has pointedly not done so. Even if he's just OK, doing a replacement-l…

The fact that everybody has just become okay with the fact that police forces are actively far right agitators is outrageous. If cops are desperate to smash skulls because they hate brown people then we need to completely dismantle and rebuild all of the police forces from scratch because it is impossible for them to be anything but violence machines.

We have violent hate gangs staffed with military equipment, with the authority to kill, and with minimal care for the actual law.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by UncleMeat »

turnsout wrote: post #51
turnsout wrote: post #35

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It's not an exaggeration. People have been kidnapped by these armed masked idiots within two blocks of my house twice, and those are just the closest cases I know about. Go check out the /r/Illinois subreddit [0] to see what's happening. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/

And of course now the parent post is "flagged." Thank you, Libertarian overlords, from protecting the tech community from this dangerous content.

They aren't libertarians. They are fascists.

I am rapidly becoming convinced that large portions of the SV ecosystem are just anti-human as a base ideology.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by msandford »

whoknowsidont wrote: post #202
msandford wrote: post #145

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The Biden admin (no idea if Biden himself was involved) literally sued Texas to stop Texas from enforcing border law. This same admin also essentially redefined "asylum" to be economic asylum rather than "I'm afraid that if I go back to my country I'll be killed" which is how people typically thought of asylum. You can absolutely think that what's happening now is an overreaction, un-American, gross, illegal, and mor…

>If you just want to see the people who voted for this as "the enemy" and "evil" you're basically doing the same tribal "othering" that's lead to these outcomes you don't like. "If you point out problems, you yourself are actually the problem. I am very rational." Incredible logic.

Okay so what's the solution then that doesn't involve having to disappear the half of the country that you don't agree with? I'm super open to better solutions. I just rarely hear any other than magical thinking. "All these evil shitbags will get reeducated and agree with me now" if it's not that, what is it?
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