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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by dvt »

gyomu wrote: post #319
dvt wrote: post #287

I feel like the R1 is getting a lot of weird hate here on HN. I get it, it's a bit pretentious and wants to be very Apple-like, yadda yadda. Probably not that much value generation, it's overpriced, and no one wants to carry another thing in their pocket. And yes, the company will likely go bankrupt (or pivot into something less exciting). It's also all in the cloud (no local inference) so it doesn't really even "do"…

> if I wanted to do a simple find-and-replace on my 2021 M1, I'd have to use something like grep (a tool originally written by Ken Thompson in 1973—a half century before my laptop was built) and look up flags and syntax I inevitably constantly forget. We should have been past this at least 15 years ago. Pretty much any text editor worth its salt has find and replace, regex compatible, features. Even the extremely rud…

> regex compatible

Even a typical Product Manager, let alone a regular layperson, would have no idea where to start with regex, so it's a super weird thing to bring up. Of course grep is a great tool, just how the hammer is a great tool (invented around 3 million years ago); but we've moved past that. You can't use a hammer to do EUV lithography.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by cal85 »

squarefoot wrote: post #283

This is pretty much what everyone saw coming when LLM became a reality: that is, eliminating the usual human-machine interface because now the machine can understand what we say and instructing it through keypresses and clicks becomes unnecessary. In a few years everyone will carry a device like this one, and "call Jim, the one I met the other day, not my brother" or "start writing an email to all my associates" etc.…

I mostly agree but think you underestimate the “contexts where we actually want visual interaction” - a screen is not just for consuming visual media. It might be that all input is spoken, but output will always need a screen, because spoken word is just incredibly low bandwidth compared to a good text layout. Imagine an order confirmation page for a complex food delivery order, where you’ve made a couple of item modifications and you’re using a promotional deal for a discount on the total price. You can take in all that info in 2 seconds if it’s nicely laid out on a screen. Compare that to having to listen carefully to a voice reciting it all for you. And same goes for things like just browsing other songs by the same artist you’re listening to. Text on a screen, with good typographical layout for fast mental processing, will still be the best output format for many use cases.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by underyx »

BoppreH wrote: post #313

The keynote is near science fiction, but the actual implementation is leaving me badly confused. - Did it really scan the whole table to add a new column? As in, OCR? What would happen if I had more than one screenful of data, and who in their right mind would trust the OCR'ed output? - How can it access the Discord account for the "teach mode"? Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies to reproduce the a…

It seems much of the screen content in this keynote was pre-rendered (or in other words fake), so many of the answers might very well be "it can't actually do these things".

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by cal85 »

layer8 wrote: post #257
aetherspawn wrote: post #159

I wish they put it next to something, I have difficulty understanding the size of it. People in this thread are talking about it like it’s tiny, but I got the impression from the pictures that it was gameboy size.

Look into the keynote. Gameboy-sized is about right.

It looks much smaller than a Gameboy. About the size of a phone, just more square.

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Post by ZiiS »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #255
everythingctl wrote: post #192

Has any startup succeeded by starting out offering shiny hardware running innovative new software, all of which they have to develop? It seems like a fatal dilution of focus to have to worry about the design and logistics of a fancy dumb terminal widget when you also have to get the software/AI/app integration stuff right. Just make an app with text and voice interaction. Accept that the thing in our pockets with a s…

I guess the Pebble watch is the last thing that comes to mind from a new entrant. The original ipod? lol.

Despite a loved and wellmade product; Pebble lasted three years a decade ago, not sure that is "succeeded".

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by serf »

the keynote failed me at "Shake the device to create a keyboard on the screen".

if the whole damn point of suffering with your goofy wildly colored mostly-incompatible mobile device is a talkable LLM, then "shake to keyboard" is a failure.

at $200 i'd rather just buy any of the plethora of sbc mini devices with cell phone antennas and play with LLMs myself without the black box that I can't touch. a uconsole or similar is , generally speaking, cheaper AND open-ish -- it's a fool's errand to trust a non-paid subscription service to continue existing.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by ZiiS »

dstaley wrote: post #314
amadeuspagel wrote: post #260

What's the advantage of this vs a smartphone? Realistically, are you going to carry two gadgets with you? I feel like a lot of people don't like the smartphone, because, being a general purpose computer, it takes away the excuse to buy all sorts of different gadgets.

Follow up question: why does this need dedicated hardware? What does a dedicated $200 device do that the same app running on a smartphone can’t?

Ensure you are invested $200 in using it. Very few will pay that for an App.

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Post by gravitronic »

lsaferite wrote: post #275
starkparker wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if it was a Teenage Engineering product it'd cost $799.

I'd say that if it was sold by TE it would cost 2x-3x that at least. They make great stuff, but they are super expensive.

I like some TE gear.

But it would be an omission if we didn't also include the fact that TE hardware often has weird flaws like OPz cases never fit together properly even years after release and the more recent problems with shipping the ko2 sampler and broken faders.

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