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Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off
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Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off
#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ex post facto laws should be prohibited in any civilized country.
Holding data is on ongoing behavior. It isn't an ex post facto law to change how a company handles it in the future. Coca-Cola can't sell you a soda with cocaine in it just because it was legal when they started their business. What would make it an ex post facto law is if companies were punished for how they handled data before the law was created. It is perfectly reasonable to punish them if they continue that same…
An excellent comment.
Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off
#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features I don't think so. They had plenty of paying customers. They claimed to be profitable for a long time (eg https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/evernote-rai... ). They had trouble with (i) implementing big price hikes, and (ii) a poor, bug-filled user experience. While that was going on, they were…
If you're on Windows, OneNote is almost impossible to compete with. Even though it's part of the Office suite, it's a free, stand-alone download. The phone apps are free, and you get 5GB of free storage. Then, for less than the cost of Evernote, you can get a O365 subscription and get the Office suite and 1TB of storage. Even though OneNote is basically a loss-leader, it's extremely powerful and flexible. It's been a…
It is a shame Microsoft had basically abandoned OneNote
The android app still can't change fonts after 5 years of development. It is pure insanity how little MS cares about their best product
They made it brilliant at the start and since then stated they won't update it anymore.
Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off
#324Notion is great at migrating stuff out of Evernote.
I recently logged in and saw that upgrading to their new interface logged me out of all other devices unless I pay them.
They are starting to nickel and dime instead of innovate.
Evernote is dead.
Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Google Drive's yearly cost for 2TB is almost equal to monthly payment for Dropbox for the same capacity. Dropbox costs €10 / user / month while Google Drive costs $12 / user / month.
For me, the prices are as follows: - Dropbox: $119.88 per year for 2TB, plus $39.99 per year for one year version history. - Google Drive: ~$11.3 per year for 2TB, ~$57 per year for 5TB. Not in the U.S., btw.
Those are crazy low prices for gdrive. central europe i get EUR 10/m for 2TB
Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like Dropbox has made the transition just fine. If you’re gonna ask me to pay a tenner a month you better give me what I think is the dollars worth of value. Dropbox did. Evernote did not. At least not for the vast majority of people who barely take some notes on some rare days.
I think you’re both right because the original poster left out competition. It’s one thing to take free back, it’s another thing to do it when people can easily replace your product without paying. Dropbox doesn’t have a competitor that is free to use. At least as far as I know. You can get your disk space in a lot of ways, some bundled with other products you may use making it appear “free” but even if you host your…
> Dropbox doesn’t have a competitor that is free to use.
Maybe not completely free, but iCloud desktop sync is pretty much a native MacOS clone of Dropbox. Especially for its core feature of cross-device syncing. Perhaps less so for sharing, although MacOS has been slowly adding those features to the point where I no longer get much value out of dropbox at all.
Still paying though, mostly out of laziness to migrate (which is literally as simple as dragging the files into a folder on my desktop, honestly I’m not sure why I haven’t done this yet)
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Obsidian's problem is Sync + Publish costs way too much, esp. when compared with competitors. Notesnook provides almost everything Evernote provides, with encryption, better publishing and syncing. Notion provides more features, incl. publishing and syncing plus the kitchen sink and its factory, yet it doesn't have offline access. For sync + publish, I have to pay 1.5x what Dropbox wants for 2TB of storage, or what T…
>Obsidian's problem is Sync + Publish costs way too much, esp. when compared with competitors. You can sync for free using Syncthing or OneDrive, Google Drive, Dropbox free accounts.
On ios you can only do icloud though
Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off
#328Obsidian.md for the win. I used to use evernote way back when they started, was cool software, then they started scaling and added worst search UI I have ever come across. That day, I deleted my account and went markdown with my own storage. Don't see the benefit of why your notes should be controlled by others.
I use Obsidian for quite a few things, but I view Obsidian and Evernote as different apps functionally.
I can't email notes into Obsidian. Obsidian doesn't have a web clipper, note reminders, markup tools. I mean sure, I could cover some of that with plug-ins, but at a certain point things become inconvenient.
For text-only notes Obsidian is great. For web clips, emailing notes in, multimedia, I just find EN much easier than trying to jam everything into a text editor.
Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off
#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Evernote CEO Phil Libin announced at the recent Le Web London conference that the company will soon set up a protected fund and include a legally binding guaratee that users’ data will be maintained for 100 years That almost sounds like a threat to commit a crime in certain jurisdictions. A lot has changed regarding how we talk about data in the last decade.
So much shit here against GDPR which is basically: 1. if you want your data removed, companies HAVE to remove your data 2. if you don't want your data stored, companies CANNOT store your data and then a bunch of if-when-then-else-must-cannot-time-dependent-legal-stuff
You conveniently forgot to define what really is "your data".
Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off
#330Now I want to set up a Patreon or Go Fund Me to fund an open source web clipper by those who worked on Evernote’s. I’ve never really found anything that worked that well.
That was my favorite part of Evernote. However, I was recently cleaning up old notes that I had transferred to Obsidian and few of the pages I had clipped were ever read. It turns out I was just hoarding.