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Post by slg »

barsonme wrote: post #142
greggsy wrote: post #134

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Exactly. Retrospective laws like that would face stiff opposition.

Ex post facto laws should be prohibited in any civilized country.

Holding data is on ongoing behavior. It isn't an ex post facto law to change how a company handles it in the future. Coca-Cola can't sell you a soda with cocaine in it just because it was legal when they started their business.

What would make it an ex post facto law is if companies were punished for how they handled data before the law was created. It is perfectly reasonable to punish them if they continue that same behavior after the law was created.

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Post by jsiepkes »

julianz wrote: post #7

I wonder how that 100 year guarantee is holding up? https://longnow.org/ideas/evernote-and-the-100-year-data-gua...

I wonder if this eroding trust with startups and companies will become a real problem for them. I mean by now things like "lifetime subscription" have little meaning coming a commercial entity.

Well, I'm off enjoying the last few weeks of my lifetime HBO cheap subscription.

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Post by _Algernon_ »

eru wrote: post #210
_Algernon_ wrote: post #201

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Every privacy policy and terms of service document is an ex post facto "law" if it was changed even once.

Public laws and private contracts are two different things. For one, you can typically opt out of the latter, but not the former.

Copying my comment from a couple of days ago as that is simply not practically true:

>All my university systems run on Microsoft. All my future employers' systems will probably run on Microsoft. All public transport in my country effectively requires an app which is tied to either Google or Apple operating systems to buy tickets. Schools require students as young as 6 years old to have an iPad or chromebook tied to Google or Apple.

>There is no real choice in our modern society to "not give your personal data" to these megacorps.

You'd have to be homeless, unemployed, unbanked and practically a hermit to even approach "opting out" from this private law. That's not a real choice.

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Post by worthless-trash »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #195
suzzer99 wrote: post #181

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Maybe I have simple needs, but iOS notes does everything I want. 1. Instantly synced between all computers and devices (yes I know I need to be in the Mac/iPhone ecosystem, but I happen to be in that anyway) 2. Create folders 3. Paste images 4. Fonts/bullets etc. Apparently that's all I need. Anything else is a hindrance.

The main reason I love apple notes is it's speed and sync. Just works. I treed google keep and evernote. Syncing was always overwriting eachother. Starting slow.

Never had that same problem with keep, its almost instantaneous updating for me.

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Post by quickthrower2 »

kpw94 wrote: post #173
Brajeshwar wrote: post #138

I like to bring up my personal opinion and realization of owning an open format -- plain-text - content for your life-long textual contents. I was once an Evernote user since its early days and a premium subscriber for many years. I have used many notetaking apps and bought enough of them – iA Writer, ByWord, Bear, SimpleNote, nvAlt fork of Notational Velocity, etc. I have moved to a simpler notetaking and writing ha…

Have you tried Obsidian? 3 days ago one of the obsidian makers posted this: https://twitter.com/kepano/status/1675626836821409792 Key quote: "These days I write using an app I help make called Obsidian, but it’s a delusion to think it will last forever. The app will eventually become obsolete. It’s the plain text files I create that are designed to last." Seems to align with your philosophy

I tried obsidian but didn’t feel it was much better than opening a folder in VSCode, and as I am already used to VSCode, that is easier for me.

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Post by devjab »

ramraj07 wrote: post #208
belthesar wrote: post #79

I feel like Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features, something we see in many VC funded software from its era. Once you give something away, it's damn near impossible to take it back, even if you plead your case as honestly as Evernote did. Evernote was great. Honestly, it was worth paying for. But they gave away the farm too early, and folks feel…

Sounds like Dropbox has made the transition just fine. If you’re gonna ask me to pay a tenner a month you better give me what I think is the dollars worth of value. Dropbox did. Evernote did not. At least not for the vast majority of people who barely take some notes on some rare days.

I think you’re both right because the original poster left out competition. It’s one thing to take free back, it’s another thing to do it when people can easily replace your product without paying.

Dropbox doesn’t have a competitor that is free to use. At least as far as I know. You can get your disk space in a lot of ways, some bundled with other products you may use making it appear “free” but even if you host your own cloud storage you’re going to pay something for it.

Even if Evernote is better than notes on your iPhone, is it $10 a month better? Probably not.

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

worthless-trash wrote: post #214
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main reason I love apple notes is it's speed and sync. Just works. I treed google keep and evernote. Syncing was always overwriting eachother. Starting slow.

Never had that same problem with keep, its almost instantaneous updating for me.

I always have one big note where I add a lot. When using that in both desktop and phone kept overwriting my entries

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Post by Foobar8568 »

pjmlp wrote: post #186
killjoywashere wrote: post #162

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I have tried to use oneNote a few times and it just doesn’t not compute to me. Some union of Notability + Paperpile would be perfect. I review proposals, peer review manuscripts, and read papers for my own research, all done with notes take with the handwritten scribble function over a PDF (which Evernote never got right). I have friends with OneNote and no matter what they explain, it does not make sense to me.

I was on your shoes around 2014 to 2018. The client I was assigned to, used for everything on project management related documentation. I couldn't understand how to approach it. Then around 2019, in another project it suddenly made sense, after several approaches trying to make sense out of it.

I still can't figure out how to use note,I have tried different approach but having to jump different application and rewrite everything 2 or 3 times, just don't compute in my brain.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

SamBam wrote: post #38

I use Obsidian for note-taking, but Evernote for my "digital shoebox" of receipts, PDFs, photos of wine labels, insurance statements, etc. They are all quickly findable through a combination of OCR and tags. Does anyone have a good alternative for this use-case?

I've been using Stack for a few years and like it a lot. Downside is that it might go to the Google Graveyard someday. Partially mitigated because the app mirrors PDFs of all my uploads to Google Drive, but not sure how much metadata that includes.
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