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Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Poor Ayatollahs. They surely deserve to be treated better. :( And yet regardless of how poorly it was treated or "what is fair", which is all the whining is ever about, nobody can remotely come up with a reason for why Iran getting a nuclear weapon would be a positive development for anybody. This is a dangerous game, regardless of your politics. Astroturfing does not necessarily imply bots, comrade.

> nobody can remotely come up with a reason for why Iran getting a nuclear weapon would be a positive development for anybody. Whether it's a positive or negative development really doesn't matter. What matters is what actually happens once that occurs. When India and Pakistan developed and tested nuclear weapons, we didn't see proliferation or development of nuclear capability in the region. Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri L…

> When India and Pakistan developed and tested nuclear weapons, we didn't see proliferation or development of nuclear capability in the region

Both hostile reactive (Pakistan against India) and (at least semi-)cooperative (Pakistan, or at least AQ Khan as a rogue actor, to other states) proliferation occurred as a result of the Indian and then Pakistani nuclear programs.

When India did it, it did lead to proliferation, specifically, in Pakistan. Pakistan’s program lead to (as well as their own bomb) proliferation through the AQ Khan network (to North Korea, as well as several states that never, at leadt yet, tested a weapon.) Myanmar also appears to have had a nuclear weapons program in the 00s, with assistsance from North Korea, which may or may not have since been abandoned.

Similarly, Israel's program contributed to the motivation for Iran's and Syria's programs (reactive [both of which appear to have also gotten cooperative aid from the Khan network and/or North Korea, which circles back to India/Pakistan]) and to technology for South Africa’s nuclear weapons (cooperative).

Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Ah, so this timeless classic will trully be timeless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hEtI9AI0U

They are out in the open enriching uranium to 84% with a breakout time to a weapon measured in weeks now, how many reasons do you need really?

Looking at how we treat nuclear vs. non-nuclear powers, you'd have to be a complete idiot to abandon a nuclear program close to producing a weapon in exchange for avoiding a few years of sanctions from a small fraction of your potential trading partners.

Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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What does your last paragraph mean? Many countries already have nukes but this one should not?

Nuclear proliferation is considered an antipattern for a reason. It's not about fairness, it's about reducing the chances of an accidental nuclear war. Yes, one factor is the power balance of incumbent nuclear states, but it does no invalidate the argument for avoiding proliferation.

> , one factor is the power balance of incumbent nuclear states, but [*they] does no invalidate the argument for avoiding proliferation.

Fixed that for you

Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Hey warmonger. So which nation should bomb USA which has tons of nukes? What kind of sick reasoning is that? Iran, unlike nations like Israel, has inspections of their nuclear energy facilities by the IEAE.

It is the IAEA that caught them red handed cheating and confirmed they are at 84% already. The head of the IEAE is over there right now: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=iaea+iran&iar=news&ia=news

Cheating what exactly? The US withdrew from the deal. And why do you think there is a difference between Iran having nuclear weapons and US or Israel having it? And do you not see the difference between cooperating with IAEA and not allowing them any access?

Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Hey old buddy old pal, long time no see!

Probably not. The US has huge and readily accessible lithium reserves in the Salton Sea in California, the issues with extracting it are the availability of water and the cost of environmental management around the site. We don't need other countries' lithium, as such.

“We can't extract it because of availability of water in a region that doesn't have enough water for existing needs” certainly sounds a lot like we need to get it from elsewhere.

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With India also discovering a very large amount of lithium reserves very recently, lithium might end up being abundant and accelerate the EV transition even faster. [1] https://innovationorigins.com/en/india-discovers-5-5-of-worl...

If you were to electrify all the vehicles in the world today (and the developing world hasn't even got lots of cars yet), it would take 1/2 the world's known supply of lithium. and those batteries only last about 8 to 10 years. Lithium become abundant, no way. Not with the amounts we're using up per capita and the enormous population on this planet. the green revolution is just getting started and there's definitely…

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Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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IIRC China is the worlds largest refiner , but they are not the largest producer . The largest producers are Australia and Chile.

Thanks for the emphasis, but production isn't defined the way you want it wishfully to be defined. Lithium ore is not very useful at all. It's refined lithium everyone cares about and China is responsible for ~60-70% of the world's lithium production: https://themeghalayan.com/china-controls-70-of-global-lithiu...

Factories can be relocated, mines cannot.

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Democracy

USA isn't a democracy, it's a republic. And "the people" was defined to exclude native Americans, people with dark skin, poors, etc. Altogether a very weak flavor of "democracy".

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/yes-consti...

> There is some truth to this insistence. But it is mostly disingenuous. The Constitution was meant to foster a complex form of majority rule, not enable minority rule.

Forming the United States also took a lot of compromise. If nobody was willing to budge on these archaic issues we wouldn't be here today. It doesn't change the vision that all men are created equal and entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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Large scale protests like this are frequently externally influenced. I really wouldn't be surprised if in 50 years time when top secret documents are released to archives we don't find that these protests are being financially supported or organised by USA/Israel/the west. It wouldn't be the first time [1][2][3] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am…

The American Revolution was bankrolled by interested parties in Europe. That doesn't make its ideals and achievements less valid.

yeah like an example from centuries ago a world away is relevant. Situation in Syria or "democratic" Iraq is probably more illustrative of what's in store for them.
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