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Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Post by oblak »

tzs wrote: post #167
988747 wrote: post #96

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Yep, US sanctions were working in the past, when US economy dominated the world. Right now sanctioning a country just means that you are giving China a free reign over it.

It also helped in that past that if a country stopped doing whatever it was that drew US sanctions the US would lift those sanctions. Take Iran. The US and several others sanctioned them over trying to develop nuclear weapons. Iran stopped the weapons program, agreed to inspections to verify compliance, and the sanctions were lifted. Then the US put back sanctions for domestic political reasons, and so now when Iran…

If by "sanctions" you mean assassinating their key scientist, Stuxnet and countless other sabotages, then yes, sanctions "work"

Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Post by recuter »

epolanski wrote: post #87
recuter wrote: post #11

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Maybe. Most probably they would have cheated. It is moot either way. There is no such thing as "fair" in geopolitics. I don't see how a sane person thinks Iran getting the bomb is a good development or viable.

Well, look at all the countries that scrapped their nuclear programs and with that got invaded (Iraq, Libya, Ukraine). And look at those who actually developed nuclear weapons and ensured they have a strong defense deterrent (such as North Korea). You're looking at it with a very north-atlantic centred perspective.

> You're looking at it with a very north-atlantic centred perspective.

So? You say that like it is a bad thing.

I didn't say Iran is completely illogical in its pursuit of nuclear weapons. The comparison to North Korea is most apt. I don't want another North Korea situation, one is enough thanks. This one would be worse.

Why? Because Saudi Arabia and Egypt and others will then likely decide they have to get nuclear weapons too. I don't care about "fair", I want fewer countries with nuclear weapons not more - for obvious reasons.

Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Post by garyrob »

Convolutional wrote: post #140
seydor wrote: post #26

Maybe Iran will meet democracy

It did in 1953 when Prime Minister Mossadegh wanted to nationalize Iran's oil. The US and UK launched a coup to stop that and installed a dictator (who was initially reluctant to go along with this and had to be convinced). Then SAVAK cracked down on domestic secular left opposition for decades, aided by the CIA.

I have pics of my grandfather standing and talking with the Shah, and then sitting next to him at a large banquet as if the two of them were the important people in the room. It's still a mystery to me what he was doing there or what their relationship was. My grandfather was a professor of economics at Columbia University who was a leader of relief efforts such as in Armenia after the genocide there. He definitely did good in his life, but whatever his involvement was with the Shah makes me wonder.

UPDATE: more information makes its way onto the internet over time, and while I've done searches on him in the past, this tidbit is now available via Google that wasn't before; he was "Director of Relief for the American Persian Relief Commission in Teheran, Iran in 1919" and I guess he was still involved there when the Shah took over and they developed some sort of relationship.

Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

gleenn wrote: post #175
npalli wrote: post #166

With India also discovering a very large amount of lithium reserves very recently, lithium might end up being abundant and accelerate the EV transition even faster. [1] https://innovationorigins.com/en/india-discovers-5-5-of-worl...

I believe even ocean water is a potential source of Lithium if we ever get constrained on more direct sources. Unfortunately it's not really Lithium holding back EVs, it's Cobalt and a few other rare earth metals. Also not sure how much having Lithium locked up in a heavily sanctioned country will help the big battery manufacturers. Edit: typos

Doesn't Iran export oil to China? I'm sure they can export lithium, too.

Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Post by recuter »

uoaei wrote: post #115
recuter wrote: post #56

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These discussions are astroturfed.

From my experience, there's quite a heavy level of organic criticism for how Iran has been treated in general. We can trust you're a "real person" just as much as you, us. Diverting critiques on the basis of "astroturfing" is so HRC '16.

Poor Ayatollahs. They surely deserve to be treated better. :(

And yet regardless of how poorly it was treated or "what is fair", which is all the whining is ever about, nobody can remotely come up with a reason for why Iran getting a nuclear weapon would be a positive development for anybody.

This is a dangerous game, regardless of your politics.

Astroturfing does not necessarily imply bots, comrade.

Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Post by rgmerk »

Pop quiz: name the world’s largest producer of lithium.

Lithium production is important but lithium is not the next oil. It’s not going to dominate the world economy. There aren’t going to be wars fought over it. And we will ultimately extract plenty of it to build EVs.

Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Post by recuter »

unmole wrote: post #39
recuter wrote: post #17

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Nope, unlike Iraq and wmd's you have confirmation from multiple third parties and countries. IAEA ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Energy_Ag... ), France, Germany, UK, all are sounding the alarm.

> confirmation from multiple third parties and countries So, exactly the same as Iraq?

Nope, not remotely the same as Iraq. I like how some whataboutists here are arguing that Iran was treated poorly and therefore "deserves a nuclear weapon" and at the same time that it is all a conspiracy and they aren't developing one - despite overwhelming evidence from none US sources.

Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Post by rr888 »

epistasis wrote: post #155
redeeman wrote: post #77

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> Infinite power from the sky that’s cheaper than fossil fuels but it isnt though, if it was, it would be happening all over, without massive subsidies and strongarming from government.

This is a lot like saying, in 1995, that if the internet was going to be a useful thing to society, then everybody would already be using it. Utilities are slow. And not so bright. They are using old technology that hasn't changed for decades, has reached its peak, and doesn't advance. Utilities are conservative. If something new comes out and is better, it's going to take them a decade to even realize what's happeni…

Utilities are huge financial organzations that have to provide secure generation and transportation over decades. Just because solar is cheaper now doesn't mean you can replace everything in just a few years. Also Solar might work great in California but Nebraska not so much.

Re: Iran discovers world’s second largest lithium reserve

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Post by recuter »

sleepyhead wrote: post #144
recuter wrote: post #6

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They are out in the open enriching uranium to 84% with a breakout time to a weapon measured in weeks now, how many reasons do you need really?

Hey warmonger. So which nation should bomb USA which has tons of nukes? What kind of sick reasoning is that? Iran, unlike nations like Israel, has inspections of their nuclear energy facilities by the IEAE.

It is the IAEA that caught them red handed cheating and confirmed they are at 84% already. The head of the IEAE is over there right now:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=iaea+iran&iar=news&ia=news

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