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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by fareesh »

IntelMiner wrote: post #310
fareesh wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's a problem that needs fixing. I think of it like this - Twitter labels accounts that are Russian government accounts so that the public is aware of where the information they are seeing is coming from. That same benefit in the context of misinformation / selective publishing would go to the public if it was known that companies lean a certain way. For example the public knows that Fox leans right an…

The media doesn't "lean left or right" for the most part. The media acts as a magnifying glass to foment public opinion. The father of modern journalism Walter Lippmann penned a book about this very thing literally 100 years ago (also it's in the public domain now, it's a great read!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Opinion_(book) To even imply MSNBC is "left leaning" is absolutely hilarious however. Though I su…

If I were to rephrase it to be more accurate and replace left and right to mean Democrat and Republican respectively, would that clarify what I mean?

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Post by syockit »

picardythird wrote: post #236
cm2187 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the most problematic part isn't that his father knew, but that his father delivered on the son selling access to his father when he was VP, and the son suggesting he is the front man for the family, collecting the money and covering the costs. And with a lot of this money coming from Ukraine, and then the father writing $40 billion checks to ukraine, independently of what you think of the war (I am in favou…

It’s definitely unsavory, but absolutely nothing compared to the conflicts of interest under Trump, ironically even in Ukraine. Remember the withheld US money used to blackmail for political dirt?

I remember that one. It's the one where Biden said "well, son of a bitch, he got fired", right? But what does that have to do with Trump?

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Post by iso1631 »

picardythird wrote: post #236
cm2187 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the most problematic part isn't that his father knew, but that his father delivered on the son selling access to his father when he was VP, and the son suggesting he is the front man for the family, collecting the money and covering the costs. And with a lot of this money coming from Ukraine, and then the father writing $40 billion checks to ukraine, independently of what you think of the war (I am in favou…

It’s definitely unsavory, but absolutely nothing compared to the conflicts of interest under Trump, ironically even in Ukraine. Remember the withheld US money used to blackmail for political dirt?

Whataboutism

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Post by jensensbutton »

cm2187 wrote: post #298
picardythird wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s definitely unsavory, but absolutely nothing compared to the conflicts of interest under Trump, ironically even in Ukraine. Remember the withheld US money used to blackmail for political dirt?

I'm not sure what this has to do with suppressing the laptop story

You suggested it's the "mother of all conflicts of interest". It's clearly not.

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Post by ekianjo »

spangry wrote: post #12

This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

> scary to think that just 2 to 3 corporations have the power to construct a false reality around us

whats truly scary is not just the limited number but the fact that these corps are always aligned in the same political direction.

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Post by fredgrott »

parkingrift wrote: post #314

So let me get this straight. Facebook has absolute control to limit the spread of a story or news on their platform. Facebook has absolute control to outright block specific content based on an algorithm they control. Facebook can and will editorialize content posted on their platform. Facebook has absolute control over the content that users see. Can someone, anyone, please explain to me why Facebook is not a publis…

see section 230 of a very specific US law-act as that law provided some outs for internet firms as far as being legally not declared a publisher if they volunteered to do specific things.

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Post by fareesh »

benreesman wrote: post #248
fareesh wrote: post #238

Is it possible to be an unabashed openly conservative / Republican in a company like Facebook or Twitter or Google? One gets the impression that it's a club for one kind of animal only.

At FB I unabashedly made a bunch of obnoxious (to partisans at least, maybe to everyone) criticisms of the fucking stupid Red Team/Blue Team thing. I took grief from colleagues/peers directly (which is clearly in bounds) but if anyone retaliated in terms of my career I never saw a shred of evidence about it. FB had the stated mission of "Making the World More Open and Connected": I posted a bunch of pretty-fucking-no…

It's good to hear that they allow the team to have their own personal views publicly expressed without impacting their work.

I did, however, notice that you said that you were an equal opportunity partisan politics attack dog and maybe it cancelled out. I guess I could just reframe my question to you and ask whether you ever saw someone who was equally vocal but partisan on the red team. If you saw only vocal people from the blue team, I'd call that a bit telling.

If you saw partisan folks from the red team who were similarly vocal then that fully answers my question.

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Post by jensensbutton »

remarkEon wrote: post #56
hotpotamus wrote: post #39

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And you think having a relative with shady deals is disqualifying for public office? And what illegal activities was Hunter up to?

Not necessarily but it’s worth scrutiny, right? Blood is deeper than votes, and if someone who is running for office has a family member with a drug problem - that’s funded by shady deals with a country that’s openly hostile to the country in which that person is running for office - is makes sense to ask questions. The illegal activities are mostly around guns, drugs, hookers, perhaps some bank and tax fraud but I h…

We had already proved with Trump's kids that, no actually, we don't give a shit as a society about leaders having close family members (even when they're actively working in the Whitehouse) involved in shady deals.

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Post by cdnfren »

spangry wrote: post #12

This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

What about the state-actors and other malicious entities that can drive large parts of the population to believe fake narratives, trough fabricating stories and taking advantage of the algorithms & platforms of the said 2-3 corporations? Could they have the power to construct a false reality?
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