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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ekianjo » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 12:25 AM UTC

etchalon wrote: post #97

ekianjo wrote: post #54

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Wrong on all accounts. The early communication about the vaccine was all about preventing infections. You are trying to rewrite History. Back in 2020, press release from Pfizer: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta... > "Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose;170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, wit…

What you're showing is that the early data showed a high degree of efficacy against an earlier variant. And 95% isn't 100%.

Even with the earlier variants the actual clinical data on the market never achieved 95%. Pure hyperbole and Pfizer has still not shared the actual raw data of the trials.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ekianjo » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 12:26 AM UTC

jameshart wrote: post #122

ekianjo wrote: post #62

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> What, with respect to vaccines, specifically, would you say has undermined trust? The constant lies about the so-called efficacy of the vaccines, and the fact that they are perfectly safe, when they aren't? And let's not forget the complete propaganda from the CDC/WHO as if they were the only ones allowed to talk about vaccines.

No, you see, I get that you are an example of a person who doesn't trust the vaccines. But that doesn't explain why you don't trust them. You're using the fact that you believed a lot of anti-vaccine arguments as support for why you... chose to believe a lot of anti-vaccine arguments.

> You're using the fact that you believed a lot of anti-vaccine arguments as support for why you... chose to believe a lot of anti-vaccine arguments.

I dont consider these shots to be "vaccines" (if those are vaccines than aspirin is a vaccine as well, words don't have any meaning anymore), so you can already drop the anti-vaccine etiquette.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ekianjo » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 12:27 AM UTC

peter422 wrote: post #109

ekianjo wrote: post #74

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> even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public) Can you point me again to Pfizer's public data about the mRNA trials? Because I'm pretty sure it was never shared.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144337/download You think the FDA is going to make a decision about a vaccine without a preregistered, public, clinical trial?

Go ahead and request the data and see if you can actually get it. The FDA is so corrupt that who would actually trust them after the opoids crisis?

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ekianjo » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 12:31 AM UTC

SquareWheel wrote: post #107

ekianjo wrote: post #74

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> even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public) Can you point me again to Pfizer's public data about the mRNA trials? Because I'm pretty sure it was never shared.

Pfizer did not accept US government funding, and as such did not have to share the same data that other companies did. You're posting an excessive amount of fear mongering in this thread.

Ever heard of the Freedom of Information Act? The Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency has sued the FDA so that they would release documents related to the review of the vaccines.

https://phmpt.org/

> You're posting an excessive amount of fear mongering in this thread.

Funny that quite a few actual doctors subscribe to my fear mongering as they signed this request. Ever wondered if your point is valid?

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ekianjo » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 12:33 AM UTC

Doyce wrote: post #158

ekianjo wrote: post #65

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> , so there's no need to draw conclusions from a single anecdote In the meantime we are still waiting for the raw data to be made public about Pfizer's vaccine trials. Strange that we can inject billions on people on Earth yet nobody apart from a selected few were allowed to see that.

Didn't the FDA release like 60k pages of those documents a couple months ago? I know Pfizer didn't want that, but people are forgetting before COVID mRNA medicine was a holy grail. So much so a lot of groups didn't pursue it since they saw it as a pipe dream. COVID's greatest gift was causing massive influxes of research dollars into them and most likely fast tracking these new drugs 15 years. mRna will literally be…

> Didn't the FDA release like 60k pages of those documents a couple months ago?

Because they were sued with the Freedom of Information Act in place. Not because they wanted to. Talk about transparency!

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ekianjo » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 12:34 AM UTC

MrMan wrote: post #246

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #240

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> We've had roughly (last time I checked several months ago) a couple of dozen verified deaths relating to the vaccine "Verified" > That's not really reported because anyone who expects every single human on the planet to have zero negative reaction to a drug Exactly, so why take the risk if you're not in a vulnerable group to Covid.

for public health

> for public health

SO getting a shot that does not prevent infection nor transmission, for public health? Sounds legit.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ekianjo » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 12:35 AM UTC

metadat wrote: post #189

sobriquet9 wrote: post #167

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I don't think any vaccine study had odds of transmission as one of the end points. How do you even design such a study?

It's not complicated- by reducing the odds of contracting covid, the odds of transmission are reduced.

> It's not complicated- by reducing the odds of contracting covid, the odds of transmission are reduced.

Looks like you never heard of asymptomatic carriers.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by peteradio » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 2:07 AM UTC

jameshart wrote: post #300

peteradio wrote: post #280

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> quality adjusted life years Do you feel comfortable acknowledging that this metric in isolation could result in trading years across age demographics? To what degree does it matter if we take 1 year of life from a child and give it to a middle aged person, doing exactly that would be fairly neutral according to QALY.

Taking 1 year of life from person a and moving it to person b is fairly neutral, yes. If, without intervention, both of them were likely to live to 80, now one of them will live to 79 and the other to 81. That probably doesn’t matter much to either a child or a middle aged person, to be honest, since neither of them has much idea of exactly how many years they have left. It probably matters quite a lot more to a 78 y…

Have to agree to disagree on this issue.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by jmaygarden » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 2:39 AM UTC

Terretta wrote: post #83

robhunter wrote: post #52

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The president of the United States literally said "You're not going to get Covid if you've had these vaccinations" - https://youtu.be/VArXfQU--LA?t=21 It's likely the vaccines reduced the spread of the virus temporarily, but it certainly wasn't very long-lasting. The efficacy waned quickly, even against the original strains/Alpha/Delta - take a look at case rates in Israel (first heavily vaccinated country) through m…

As was known before Americans took them: 90 - 180 days useful efficacy tops. That’s why the first vax card already had a half dozen lines to record doses.

I definitely did NOT know that when the vaccinations were first rolled out. Do you have a source?

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ars » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 2:47 AM UTC

puffoflogic wrote: post #303

internet_user wrote: post #207

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Why did UK’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) refuse to recommend universal vaccination to 12-15s on risk benefit basis? How did these internationally renowned vaccinologists and immunologists suddenly become antivaxxers overnight? Professor Andrew Pollard, Chair (University of Oxford) Professor Lim Wei Shen, Chair COVID-19 immunisation (Nottingham University Hospitals) Professor Anthony Harnden…

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You are seriously calling any criticism of a vaccine "antivaxxer"? In your mind there's no such thing as a vaccine that fails?

Are you for real?

The COVID vaccine does kids doesn't work. Period. And saying that doesn't make someone "anti-science".

And I truly can not even begin to wrap my mind around the idea that you would take someone's kids away because they dare question if a vaccine works! What kind of bizarre religion are you part of that requires you never to question vaccines? Or are you required never to question any authority at all?

And you have had a serious failure of education if you think that what you are doing/advocating for is science. I assure you - it's not. What you are advocating for is some kind of perverted worship of science.