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Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by missedthecue » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 1:15 PM UTC

falcolas wrote: post #294

Someone wrote: post #168

So, just get married for a night, then ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%27ah : “Nikah mut'ah Arabic: نكاح المتعة, romanized: nikāḥ al-mutʿah, literally "pleasure marriage"; temporary marriage: 1045 or Sigheh (Persian: صیغه ، ازدواج موقت) is a private and verbal temporary marriage contract that is practiced in Twelver Shia Islam in which the duration of the marriage and the mahr must be specified and agreed u…

And then the woman must wait and prove she is not pregnant before remarrying. Just the woman.

Well the point is to see if an unexpected pregnancy arose from the marriage. It really wouldn't make sense for the man to wait too, practically speaking.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by sofixa » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 1:17 PM UTC

alex3305 wrote: post #218

ahtihn wrote: post #29

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> The players are comfortable enough to say no Not if saying no risks ending your career. You don't become a pro football player and play in the world cup just for thr money.

If you are a footballer in Europe or South America, the World Cup doesn't have to be the biggest tournament. There are big names in football which haven't played in a World Cup at all [1]. If you want to earn the big bucks, you will have to play at a big club in Europe and play Champions League. There's where the money is. 1. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1116241-ranking-the-top-...

It's not about the money, but the prestige. Champions League is plenty prestigious, but the World Cup/Euros/Copa America provide an extra stage, a national one at that.

Iceland, Croatia, Denmark are recent national teams that went much farther than expected, to much national acclaim ( the whole country celebrating their success). For many players that makes them national heros, and brings them pride and prestige. And there were a lot of players on those teams who were not superstars winning the Champions League regularly.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by huyto » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 1:18 PM UTC

CogitoCogito wrote: post #223

From the article: --------------------------- Nasser Al-Khater, chairman of Qatar's 2022 World Cup organising committee, has said that all World Cup attendees will be safe regardless of their sexual orientation or culture. In December 2021 Al-Khater did confirm that "homosexuality is not allowed" in the emirate, but promises that LGTBIQ+ fans will have the right to travel to the country and attend matches. "Qatar and…

if a man travelled to USA with a 10 year old wife he could end up in prison for decades, while in many cultures such an arrangement is normal and accepted. if we wanted to achieve "absolute tolerance" we would simply have to remove all laws because they are all intolerant in some way against someone.

tolerance does not mean that we have to accept the behavior of people who act in ways which are offensive to us. tolerance is the mutual respect of eachother's boundaries, namely that the people who visit Qatar respect the culture and laws of the country, and the people of Qatar in return respect the rights and freedom of those visitors

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by jussij » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 1:18 PM UTC

Technically, while these acts may well be deemed illegal in that country, throughout the World Cup authorities will be turning a blind eye to these indiscretions.

The whole Qatar bid has already been tainted with accusations of FIFA corruption, so they both can't afford for this World Cup to be anything but a complete success.

Countries like France, Germany, Holland, USA or any of the major football nations that qualify for this World Cup are not going allow their citizens to be sent to prison for seven years over a one-night stand.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by ls15 » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 1:18 PM UTC

ls15 wrote: post #172

I will try to flag all companies in my mind that are advertising on this event and then continue to avoid them if possible.

To the neighbour that I cannot reply to:

> Please respect conservative views on life too. I think it is a good idea to marry first especially if you are a woman.

I respect all kinds of viewpoints as long as they respect other viewpoints as well. A viewpoint that tries to jail people for their very personal decisions is inherently not respectable, because it is itself by definition lacking respect.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by throwaway894345 » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 1:22 PM UTC

legutierr wrote: post #229

rayiner wrote: post #203

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What I love is that institutions like universities will happily link arms with Qatar for the $$$, despite the neo-slavery: https://www.qatar.northwestern.edu . Really puts their woke messaging at home in context.

“Institutions” in general don’t have woke messaging, specific institutions do. “Universities” in general don’t have partnerships with the Qatar government, specific universities do. Just because one university is very “woke”, and another university forms a partnership with Qatar does not mean that universities in general are hypocritical, or even that any specific university is hypocritical. If you are going to make…

Is NorthWestern not very woke? Isn't that the campus that launched multiple Title IX inquisition against a law professor on the basis that the law professor criticized Title IX?

> Kipnis was the subject of yet another Northwestern Title IX investigation earlier this year — this time for writing “Unwanted Advances: Sexual Paranoia Comes to Campus,” a book about being investigated for saying there are too many Title IX investigations.

https://www.thefire.org/breaking-laura-kipnis-second-title-i...

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/laura-kipniss-endle...

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by elliekelly » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 1:23 PM UTC

cypress66 wrote: post #283

elliekelly wrote: post #241

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I think I’ve mentioned it here before but I once traveled to a country with laws hostile to LGBTQ+ people with three friends: another hetero woman and two gay men who were a couple. For safety reasons we pretended we were two hetero couples which included checking into our hotel rooms as “couples”. Unbeknownst to us there was also a law that unmarried heterosexual couples couldn’t share hotel accommodations. In some…

Why did you decide to travel to such countries?

Like the apocryphal tale of Muhammad I’ve had little success in asking the mountains I wish to hike to come to me.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by throwaway894345 » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 1:25 PM UTC

ajross wrote: post #303

treeman79 wrote: post #293

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Well we could produce it all locally instead of having the president begging them to pump more

We do, effectively. North America produces enough petroleum today to meet its own needs[1]. But the rest of the world doesn't, middle east oil is cheap relative to offshore or (especially) fracked petroleum, and at the end of the day fuels are a fungible commodity and our local prices reflect demand in the rest of the world. The bit about "dependence on foreign oil" you're hearing is largely spin. Supply is not the p…

I'm of the impression that we can't use our own oil because our refineries largely aren't equipped to process it (different kinds of oil require different kinds of refineries, which is to say oil sort of isn't fungible), but rather our refineries are equipped to process foreign oil. So we can pump to our heart's content, but without the refineries we aren't able to use that oil.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by claudiawerner » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 1:27 PM UTC

marvin wrote: post #194

f1refly wrote: post #102

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Technically yes - what makes your opinion on how life should be more correct than their opinion?

Well, this line of reasoning will end up going Godwin in a hurry. But for entertainment value, to make a different argument against moral relativism: A higher proportion of people from Qatar would like to e.g. live in Europe than the proportion of Europeans who would like to live in Qatar, and vastly higher if we take relative social standing into account. I'm sure there are plenty of ethical questions where a hypoth…

To play the other side a little, it's interesting to mention that the relative uniformity of some moral statements across time and cultures has also been deployed in support of moral anti-realist arguments, or at least evolutionary debunking arguments. I can't find the paper at the moment, but I don't think it's accurate to use the uniformity of some moral views as an argument against moral relativism, for the same reasons why you can't use the disparity of some moral views between cultures as an argument for moral relativism.

The fact that some number of people agree on some ethical standards, even almost everyone, does not do any work to prove their accuracy outside human opinion and experience, much in the same way almost all societies except those who believed in the Abrahamic God found others who did not to be (repugnant/heathens/blasthemers/barbarians/baby killers).

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by no-reply » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 1:27 PM UTC

ngc248 wrote: post #216

DocTomoe wrote: post #128

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Small area means less space to put large prisons on it - which means punishment moves to more corporeal and less incarceration. Especially with "morality" laws, where there is no real reason to protect society from a "criminal", that may be a good way to handle things. I'd guess many folks sitting in prison in the US for smoking weed would much rather have a few whips with a cane than losing years and years doing not…

>>> would much rather have a few whips with a cane than losing years and years doing nothing productive. I know people who have been caned (for alochol consumption) in the mid-east who still have problems walking today, so no that cannot be an alternative.

Although it is going to hurt, you probably won't forget your lashes till your death. Actually works.