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Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by wongarsu »

mc32 wrote: post #49

Microsoft has had a good few years of building up their reputation after their self inflicted blemishes from the IE integration fiasco as well as their EEE mode of operation. Now they are throwing away their good will with smarmy tactics --why? for some short term gains? They were passing Google reputation-wise, of late, but these moves undercut their work of the last few years. It seems they see Google, FB, even App…

Microsoft was never good at being consistent. It's an organization defined by corporate politics and infighting. Just because the Edge or the Windows UI department are user hostile doesn't mean that this is a wider trend in the company. Conversely, the vscode or the Azure departments doing good things doesn't mean the rest of the company behaves that way.

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Post by ddoubleU »

jodrellblank wrote: post #296
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #88

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i look at advancements like this in Windows and think it's really cool. But after spending so many years, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, getting shit from a bunch of khaki wearing, corporate butt kissing MSCE types about how Linux is "get what you pay for" and constantly mocking that all this "free software can't do anything" and then sitting back and watching Linux empowering cloud computing, Unix/Linux…

> " watching Microsoft do things like making Notepad use Unix EOL characters " A system which still pretends you're talking through a teletype, a system where it would make sense to use both CR and LF together and individually to move the cursor accross or down or both, shuns it. Windows never did mandate it, applications can use any line ending they like, but used it as a convention for backwards compatability with…

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Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by authed »

jefftk wrote: post #195
authed wrote: post #180

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I don't think that Otter Browser is based on Chromium.

Otter Browser looks like it uses QtWebKit. So not chromium, but still the same KHTML/WebKit/Blink family.

just great. we really need a new alternative because I don't like where Firefox is heading and I have been using it since the beginning.

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Post by mistrial9 »

mistrial9 wrote: post #137
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #75

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i just don't see the point, from a consumer perspective, in all the major players fighting over who's version of Chromium is the most preferred. I get why the company's care - i just don't get why anyone else does. Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way.

> Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way. as a casual reader, I know this is false.. several HUGE efforts, have failed to gain the eyeballs of readers . repeating that there is only one choice, is not useful or constructive right?

maybe people will look at alternatives:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers

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Post by whakim »

badsectoracula wrote: post #294
jeroenhd wrote: post #190

Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

> Linux has been making progress but still isn't a good alternative for the common user unless they have an expert to rely upon when something breaks down IME "common users" already rely on an expert when their Windows OS breaks down. Not long ago I had to walk my aunt through opening the command prompt in Windows 10 and entering the command to do a full reboot (as opposed to that hybrid shutdown+hibernation) because…

> I think that the whole "Windows is good for common users" idea is very outdated nowadays, it might have been the case a decade or so ago, but it certainly isn't anymore.

I agree with you, but I think that "for common users" pretty much all OSes are interchangeable these days anyways. The biggest headache for most folks isn't the occasional need to resort to an expert (which they'd always have to do), but the unnecessary headache of learning the quirks of a different OS. Easier to just stick with what you know, which is usually Windows.

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Post by Julius_Caesar »

bityard wrote: post #51
darepublic wrote: post #28

Gotta keep the kids off of windows don't want them to be trapped by Microsoft ecosystem one day

The laptops I give to my kids have always had Linux (Ubuntu) pre-loaded onto them. To my kids, these are just what normal computers look like. The school uses Chromebooks and Macs so far as I know, my kids have never seen Windows.

Thank god... Take my upvote kind stranger.

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Post by FredPret »

wongarsu wrote: post #319
FredPret wrote: post #307

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I noticed the same thing. However, I trust MS less now than in the 90’s. Back then, I felt like the owner of my machine. Sure they had bad things like IE but I could just ignore it. Now, it restarts itself and installs updates despite me specifically trying to stop it. It’s a shame really because I really enjoyed Win 10 and even Bing doesn’t suck completely. Thank goodness for competition and the new M1 laptops! Now…

I trust Apple more than Microsoft, but if you want to feel like you own the machine Apple is much worse.

Really? I've never had a Mac, but I have all the other gadgets and I love them. Would it interrupt a running process to restart itself?

I've had Python scripts (ML, data analysis) running locally overnight on Windows, only to come back to a restarted computer. Not fun.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

procinct wrote: post #309
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #129

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I agree. Linux Desktop still has all the same basic usability problems it did in the 90s. In some ways it is even worse since it has massively overcomplicated a lot of its subsystems. Still, I foresee a future where the pain of Linux Desktop for me will be outweighed by the pain of continuing to use Windows. Which is sad. Linux Desktop will have won not on its merits, but because Microsoft just decided it didn't want…

I would imagine surely there’s a distro that is just as functional as what you’re imagining Haiku will be one day right? The main issue I find with Linux is app support but that would be worse again with Haiku. What sort of usability issues would you expect to run into with something like Mint? Btw not saying Haiku isn’t cool, it absolutely is. But I see it being a long way behind even the Linux desktop.

> I would imagine surely there’s a distro that is just as functional as what you’re imagining Haiku will be one day right?

You can imagine it all you want, like most things that are pure fantasy.

> The main issue I find with Linux is app support but that would be worse again with Haiku.

There are other issues that I consider important. Things like how application management works, coherency of the platform, stability of ABIs, simplicity of the platform, non-bloatedness, lack of fashion-oriented design, etc.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by nrki »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #88
mynameismon wrote: post #63

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That is exactly what I love about Windows 11 particularly. I don't have to deal the abdominations like Microsoft News, just a winget away. Don't like Edge? winget uninstall -e "Microsoft.Edge"

i look at advancements like this in Windows and think it's really cool. But after spending so many years, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, getting shit from a bunch of khaki wearing, corporate butt kissing MSCE types about how Linux is "get what you pay for" and constantly mocking that all this "free software can't do anything" and then sitting back and watching Linux empowering cloud computing, Unix/Linux…

I couldn't agree with you more.

I was thoroughly in the "screw Microsoft" camp until about 2018, when I thought they were on the way to redeeming themselves.

Unfortunately they've continued their prior "hatefully corporate ++" behavior. I bestow this term on companies like Oracle & SCO (remember them?). At this stage in my career, I have regularly been in a position to send a significant portion of comapny expenditure toward Microsoft. I won't be in future, and when I reach CTO/CIO I will continue to advocate for more open and fair solutions for my company.

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